NetBSD Problem Report #22713

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Date: Mon,  8 Sep 2003 00:19:11 +0900 (JST)
From: cjs@netbsd.org
Sender: gnats-bugs-owner@NetBSD.org
To: gnats-bugs@gnats.netbsd.org, dsl@netbsd.org
Subject: New floppy install boot fails on at least one USB floppy drive
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>Number:         22713
>Category:       install
>Synopsis:       New floppy install boot fails on at least one USB floppy drive
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    install-manager
>State:          closed
>Class:          sw-bug
>Submitter-Id:   net
>Arrival-Date:   Sun Sep 07 15:20:00 +0000 2003
>Closed-Date:    Mon Jan 31 03:35:29 +0000 2011
>Last-Modified:  Mon Jan 31 03:35:29 +0000 2011
>Originator:     Curt Sampson
>Release:        NetBSD 1.6W
>Organization:

>Environment:
System: NetBSD ironic.cynic.net 1.6W NetBSD 1.6W (IRONIC-$Revision: 1.11 $) #0: Wed Aug 13 19:51:22 JST 2003 cjs@ironic.cynic.net:/u/netbsd/src-current/sys/arch/i386/compile/IRONIC i386
Architecture: i386
Machine: i386
>Description:
    When trying to boot an install floppy from a couple of recent versions of -current
    (2003-05-28 and 2003-08-13) on a VIA EPIA-V8000 Mini-ITX motherboard with a Toshiba
    USB floppy, the system quickly reboots. Sometimes with the more recent of the two
    builds above it displays something along the lines of 'NetBSD ufstar primary
    bootstrap' before the reboot, other times, and always with the earlier kernel, it
    displays nothing, it just reboots. After the reboot, the system will go most of
    the way through its standard BIOS startup, but will never attempt to boot from
    any drive again, until reset.
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:

From: David Laight <david@l8s.co.uk>
To: netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: gnats-bugs@gnats.netbsd.org
Subject: Re: install/22713: New floppy install boot fails on at least one USB floppy drive
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 21:09:10 +0100

 > >Synopsis:     New floppy install boot fails on at least one USB floppy drive
 > Machine: i386

 >    When trying to boot an install floppy from a couple of recent versions
 >    of -current (2003-05-28 and 2003-08-13) on a VIA EPIA-V8000 Mini-ITX
 >    motherboard with a Toshiba USB floppy, the system quickly reboots.
 >    Sometimes with the more recent of the two builds above it displays
 >    something along the lines of 'NetBSD ufstar primary bootstrap' before
 >    the reboot, other times, and always with the earlier kernel, it
 >    displays nothing, it just reboots.

 Sounds like a broken bios :-)  (always blame someone else)

 The 'NetBSD ustarfs primary bootstrap' message is a fairly recent addition.
 So I supect the boot code is failing in the same place in both cases.
 (and it isn't the kernel it is the code in arch/i386/stand/bootxx)

 Unfortunately in order to attempt to fix this, the exact point of failure
 needs to be identified.  This can only be done by adding putstr/putint
 calls (not printf here) into the code until they stop coming out!

 One guess might be that we are overwriting some memory the bios things
 it is using.  You could try rebuilding with PRIMARY_LOAD_ADDRESS set
 higher - maybe 0x2000 instead of 0x600.

 	David

 -- 
 David Laight: david@l8s.co.uk

From: Curt Sampson <cjs@cynic.net>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:  
Subject: Re: install/22713
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:25:53 +0900 (JST)

 It turns out, after some experimentation, that this isn't related to using
 a USB drive; the new bootloader fails when booting from a hard drive as well.
 This is reproducable on several similar configurations:

     VIA EPIC Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 2.06
     VIA EPIC V Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 1.03
     VIA EPIC V Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 1.06

 All of the above have been confirmed to fail with a 2003-08-13
 bootloader booting from hard drive. In addition, the EPIC V 1.03 also
 fails booting with that bootloader from USB floppy, and the 2003-05-28
 bootloader from a hard drive.

 In all cases it appears that the second-stage boot loader is resetting
 the system very quickly after printing its initial messages. (The
 system does not reset if the first-stage boot loader cannot load the
 second-stage boot loader.)

 cjs
 -- 
 Curt Sampson  <cjs@cynic.net>   +81 90 7737 2974   http://www.NetBSD.org
     Don't you know, in this new Dark Age, we're all light.  --XTC
State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback
State-Changed-By: mrg@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:27:06 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
curt, did you ever figure out this problem?


From: Curt Sampson <cjs@netbsd.org>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
	gnats-admin@netbsd.org, mrg@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: install/22713 (New floppy install boot fails on at least one
	USB floppy drive)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:31:59 +0900

 On 2010-06-05 07:27 +0000 (Sat), mrg@NetBSD.org wrote:

 > curt, did you ever figure out this problem?

 No; I simply gave up floppy installs many years ago. Probably this
 should be closed.

 cjs

From: David Holland <dholland-bugs@netbsd.org>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: cjs@netbsd.org
Subject: Re: install/22713 (New floppy install boot fails on at least one
	USB floppy drive)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 00:57:22 +0000

 On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 01:05:03PM +0000, Curt Sampson wrote:
  >  > curt, did you ever figure out this problem?
  >  
  >  No; I simply gave up floppy installs many years ago. Probably this
  >  should be closed.

 from the PR:

  :  It turns out, after some experimentation, that this isn't related to
  :  using a USB drive; the new bootloader fails when booting from a hard
  :  drive as well.  This is reproducable on several similar
  :  configurations:
  : 
  :      VIA EPIC Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 2.06
  :      VIA EPIC V Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 1.03
  :      VIA EPIC V Mini-ITX motherboard, BIOS rev. 1.06

 Do you have any of that hw any more?

 If not, let's close it.

 -- 
 David A. Holland
 dholland@netbsd.org

State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed
State-Changed-By: dholland@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:35:29 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
No response on whether the hw is still available; let's just close it


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