NetBSD Problem Report #52399

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From: tavmem@gmail.com
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To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: NetBSD install USB does not boot
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>Number:         52399
>Category:       install
>Synopsis:       NetBSD install USB does not boot
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    install-manager
>State:          open
>Class:          support
>Submitter-Id:   net
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Jul 13 14:30:01 +0000 2017
>Last-Modified:  Tue Jul 18 15:25:00 +0000 2017
>Originator:     Tom Szczesny
>Release:        NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img
>Organization:
retired
>Environment:
Linux new-host-4 4.8.6-300.fc25.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 1 12:36:38 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>Description:
Have unzipped img:
[tom@new-host-4 netbsd]$ ls
NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img

Successfully copied to USB:
[tom@new-host-4 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32k

Using Dell Inspiron 13 (7000 Series)
Dell bios recognizes only 2 boot options:  Fedora and Windows

Fedora disk utility reports:
Model:  General USB Flash Disk (0100)
Partitioning:  Master Boot Record
Device:  /dev/sdb1
Partition Type:  0xa9 (Bootable)
Contents:  Unknown
>How-To-Repeat:
You would probably need to try this on a Dell Inspiron 13 (7000 Series)
>Fix:

>Audit-Trail:
From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:37:12 +0200

 On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:30:01PM +0000, tavmem@gmail.com wrote:
 > Using Dell Inspiron 13 (7000 Series)
 > Dell bios recognizes only 2 boot options:  Fedora and Windows
 > 
 > Fedora disk utility reports:
 > Model:  General USB Flash Disk (0100)
 > Partitioning:  Master Boot Record
 > Device:  /dev/sdb1
 > Partition Type:  0xa9 (Bootable)


 So you show us that the contents of the USB thingy are correct, but say
 that the bios shows (instead) two options completely unrelated to the USB
 stick - probably from your hard disk.

 Are you sure your bios has boot from usb enabled? Or maybe the bios
 does not recognize the usb stick?

 Martin

From: Izumi Tsutsui <tsutsui@ceres.dti.ne.jp>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: tsutsui@ceres.dti.ne.jp
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:20:51 +0900

 > [tom@new-host-4 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32k

 On Linux, maybe "/dev/sdb1" won't work but "/dev/sdb" should.
 (make sure "sdb" is actually your USB memory, by "sudo fdisk -l")

 Some page says that "oflag=direct" is also recommended,
 but I'm not sure if it's mandatory.

  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB

 Tools like MediaWriter etc. might be easier to write image.

 ---
 Izumi Tsutsui

From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:44:58 -0400

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 I had prepared a Fedora-25 USB boot stick (using the Fedora process) last
 week.
 I was able to boot it and install Fedora from that USB.

 As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot stick.
 The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the boot sequence.

 On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 wrote:

 > The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 > GNATS.
 >
 > From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc:
 > Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:37:12 +0200
 >
 >  On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:30:01PM +0000, tavmem@gmail.com wrote:
 >  > Using Dell Inspiron 13 (7000 Series)
 >  > Dell bios recognizes only 2 boot options:  Fedora and Windows
 >  >
 >  > Fedora disk utility reports:
 >  > Model:  General USB Flash Disk (0100)
 >  > Partitioning:  Master Boot Record
 >  > Device:  /dev/sdb1
 >  > Partition Type:  0xa9 (Bootable)
 >
 >
 >  So you show us that the contents of the USB thingy are correct, but say
 >  that the bios shows (instead) two options completely unrelated to the USB
 >  stick - probably from your hard disk.
 >
 >  Are you sure your bios has boot from usb enabled? Or maybe the bios
 >  does not recognize the usb stick?
 >
 >  Martin
 >
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">I had prepared a Fedora-25 USB boot stick (using the Fedor=
 a process) last week.<div>I was able to boot it and install Fedora from tha=
 t USB.</div><div><br></div><div>As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora=
 -25 USB boot stick.</div><div>The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, whe=
 n setting the boot sequence.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
  class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Martin Husemann <s=
 pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank"=
 >martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
 te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
 >The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNA=
 TS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de">martin@dusk=
 ware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:37:12 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 02:30:01PM +0000, <a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gm=
 ail.com">tavmem@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Using Dell Inspiron 13 (7000 Series)<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Dell bios recognizes only 2 boot options:=C2=A0 Fedora and Windo=
 ws<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Fedora disk utility reports:<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Model:=C2=A0 General USB Flash Disk (0100)<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Partitioning:=C2=A0 Master Boot Record<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Device:=C2=A0 /dev/sdb1<br>
 =C2=A0&gt; Partition Type:=C2=A0 0xa9 (Bootable)<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0So you show us that the contents of the USB thingy are correct, but s=
 ay<br>
 =C2=A0that the bios shows (instead) two options completely unrelated to the=
  USB<br>
 =C2=A0stick - probably from your hard disk.<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Are you sure your bios has boot from usb enabled? Or maybe the bios<b=
 r>
 =C2=A0does not recognize the usb stick?<br>
 <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200

 On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 >  As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot stick.
 >  The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the boot sequence.

 Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?
 Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific
 problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.

 Martin

From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:12:59 -0400

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 Not "exactly".
 Fedora-25 is on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 NetBSD is on a    PNY 64GB USB 3.0

 I will try NetBSD on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 and let you know what happens.


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de> wrote:

 > The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 > GNATS.
 >
 > From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc:
 > Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200
 >
 >  On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 >  >  As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot stick.
 >  >  The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the boot
 > sequence.
 >
 >  Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?
 >  Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific
 >  problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.
 >
 >  Martin
 >
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">Not &quot;exactly&quot;.<div>Fedora-25 is on a PNY 64GB US=
 B 2.0</div><div>NetBSD is on a =C2=A0 =C2=A0PNY 64GB USB 3.0</div><div><br>=
 </div><div>I will try NetBSD on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0</div><div>and let you kn=
 ow what happens.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
 div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann =
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blan=
 k">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
 uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
 x"><span class=3D"">The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it ha=
 s been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de">martin@dusk=
 ware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200<br>
 <span class=3D""><br>
 =C2=A0On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot st=
 ick.<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the=
  boot sequence.<br>
 <br>
 </span>=C2=A0Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?<br>
 =C2=A0Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific=
 <br>
 =C2=A0problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.<br>
 <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:18:07 -0400

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 Another "possible" difference:
 the Fedora-25 USB image was created while using Windows
 the NetBSD USB image was created while using Fedora


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Not "exactly".
 > Fedora-25 is on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 > NetBSD is on a    PNY 64GB USB 3.0
 >
 > I will try NetBSD on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 > and let you know what happens.
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 > wrote:
 >
 >> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >> GNATS.
 >>
 >> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >> Cc:
 >> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200
 >>
 >>  On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 >>  >  As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot stick.
 >>  >  The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the boot
 >> sequence.
 >>
 >>  Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?
 >>  Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific
 >>  problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.
 >>
 >>  Martin
 >>
 >>
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">Another &quot;possible&quot; difference:<div>the Fedora-25=
  USB image was created while using Windows</div><div>the NetBSD USB image w=
 as created while using Fedora</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
 _extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Tom=
  Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=
 =3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
 gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
 left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Not &quot;exactly&quot;.<div>Fedora-25 is on a P=
 NY 64GB USB 2.0</div><div>NetBSD is on a =C2=A0 =C2=A0PNY 64GB USB 3.0</div=
 ><div><br></div><div>I will try NetBSD on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0</div><div>and =
 let you know what happens.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb">=
 <div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 >On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
 href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>=
 &gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
  0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following re=
 ply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200<br>
 <span><br>
 =C2=A0On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot st=
 ick.<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the=
  boot sequence.<br>
 <br>
 </span>=C2=A0Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?<br>
 =C2=A0Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific=
 <br>
 =C2=A0problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.<br>
 <span class=3D"m_-1651873794879608416HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:33:55 -0400

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 Using Fedora-25 and a PNY 64GB USB-2.0

 first I tried using dev/sdb1:
 [tom@new-host-3 ~]$ cd netbsd
 [tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ ls
 NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img
 [tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img
 of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32k
 [sudo] password for tom:
 17600+0 records in
 17600+0 records out
 576716800 bytes (577 MB, 550 MiB) copied, 1.14629 s, 503 MB/s

 Re-started the machine, Dell BIOS did not recognize NetBSD (on the USB) as
 a boot option.

 then I tried dev/sdb:
 [tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$
 [tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img
 of=/dev/sdb bs=32k
 17600+0 records in
 17600+0 records out
 576716800 bytes (577 MB, 550 MiB) copied, 97.6374 s, 5.9 MB/s
 [tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$

 Re-started the machine.  Dell BIOS did not recognize NetBSD (on the USB) as
 a boot option.

 My next step:
 I'm going to try creating an install USB for FreeBSD.


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Another "possible" difference:
 > the Fedora-25 USB image was created while using Windows
 > the NetBSD USB image was created while using Fedora
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Not "exactly".
 >> Fedora-25 is on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 >> NetBSD is on a    PNY 64GB USB 3.0
 >>
 >> I will try NetBSD on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0
 >> and let you know what happens.
 >>
 >>
 >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >>> GNATS.
 >>>
 >>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>> Cc:
 >>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200
 >>>
 >>>  On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 >>>  >  As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot stick.
 >>>  >  The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the boot
 >>> sequence.
 >>>
 >>>  Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?
 >>>  Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific
 >>>  problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.
 >>>
 >>>  Martin
 >>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>Using Fedora-25 and a PNY 64=
 GB USB-2.0<br><br></div>first I tried using dev/sdb1:<br>[tom@new-host-3 ~]=
 $ cd netbsd<br>[tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ ls<br>NetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.img<=
 br>[tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=3DNetBSD-7.1-amd64-install.<wbr>img =
 of=3D/dev/sdb1 bs=3D32k<br>[sudo] password for tom: <br>17600+0 records in<=
 br>17600+0 records out<br>576716800 bytes (577 MB, 550 MiB) copied, 1.14629=
  s, 503 MB/s<br><br></div>Re-started the machine, Dell BIOS did not recogni=
 ze NetBSD (on the USB) as a boot option.<br><br></div>then I tried dev/sdb:=
 <br>[tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ <br>[tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ sudo dd if=3DNetB=
 SD-7.1-amd64-install.<wbr>img of=3D/dev/sdb bs=3D32k<br>17600+0 records in<=
 br>17600+0 records out<br>576716800 bytes (577 MB, 550 MiB) copied, 97.6374=
  s, 5.9 MB/s<br>[tom@new-host-3 netbsd]$ <br><br></div>Re-started the machi=
 ne.=C2=A0 Dell BIOS did not recognize NetBSD (on the USB) as a boot option.=
 <br><br></div>My next step:<br></div>I&#39;m going to try creating an insta=
 ll USB for FreeBSD.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
 =3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D=
 "ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmai=
 l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
 argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
 tr">Another &quot;possible&quot; difference:<div>the Fedora-25 USB image wa=
 s created while using Windows</div><div>the NetBSD USB image was created wh=
 ile using Fedora</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
 =3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, J=
 ul 14, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
 o:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
 :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
 ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Not &quot;exactly&quot=
 ;.<div>Fedora-25 is on a PNY 64GB USB 2.0</div><div>NetBSD is on a =C2=A0 =
 =C2=A0PNY 64GB USB 3.0</div><div><br></div><div>I will try NetBSD on a PNY =
 64GB USB 2.0</div><div>and let you know what happens.</div><div><br></div><=
 /div><div class=3D"m_7766588923653609810HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_77665889236=
 53609810h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fr=
 i, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
 =3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;=
 </span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following reply =
 was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:17:11 +0200<br>
 <span><br>
 =C2=A0On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:50:00PM +0000, Tom Szczesny wrote:<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 As a further test, I re-inserted the Fedora-25 USB boot st=
 ick.<br>
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 The Dell bios recognizes it as an option, when setting the=
  boot sequence.<br>
 <br>
 </span>=C2=A0Did you try that with the exact same usb hardware?<br>
 =C2=A0Just making sure, it really sounds like a local or Dell BIOS specific=
 <br>
 =C2=A0problem to me, which will be hard to reproduce elsewhere.<br>
 <span class=3D"m_7766588923653609810m_-1651873794879608416HOEnZb"><font col=
 or=3D"#888888"><br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

 --94eb2c07cc7ec9ed7f05544719d5--

From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200

 Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that changes
 is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).

 Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not work):

 http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso

 Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?

 Thanks,

 Martin

From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:03:05 -0400

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 OK .. this is what I have done so far.

 I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB-3.0
 that failed for NetBSD.

 I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25
 machine.
 The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates
 the USB-install.

 I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and
 went to Dell BIOS.
 The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 UEFI: General. Partition 1

 I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.

 I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de> wrote:

 > The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 > GNATS.
 >
 > From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc:
 > Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >
 >  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that changes
 >  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >
 >  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not work):
 >
 >  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/
 > 201707131920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >
 >  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >
 >  Thanks,
 >
 >  Martin
 >
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this is what I have done so far.<div><br></div><div>=
 I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.</div>=
 <div>Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB=
 -3.0 that failed for NetBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Windows mac=
 hine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</div><div>Th=
 e website that I used is: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=
 =3D"https://getfedora.org/">https://getfedora.org/</a></div><div>I chose th=
 e Fedora workstation option.</div><div>The process loads a Fedora-media-wri=
 ter app onto Windows, and then creates the USB-install.</div><div><br></div=
 ><div>I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, =
 and went to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was recognized as option. =C2=A0 I=
 t was listed as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Partition 1<br></div><div><br></d=
 iv><div>I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,</div><=
 div>and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.</div><d=
 iv><br></div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.</div><div><=
 br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
  Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
 f=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt=
 ;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">The foll=
 owing reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de">martin@dusk=
 ware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/<wbr>NetBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/<wbr>NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/<wbr>201707131920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.<wbr>0_BETA-amd64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:49:59 -0400

 --001a113cfd6008bb09055449d717
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 Just as an FYI:

 The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1

 Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.

 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >
 > I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 > Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB-3.0
 > that failed for NetBSD.
 >
 > I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25
 > machine.
 > The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 > I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 > The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates
 > the USB-install.
 >
 > I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and
 > went to Dell BIOS.
 > The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 > UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >
 > I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 > and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >
 > I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 > wrote:
 >
 >> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >> GNATS.
 >>
 >> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >> Cc:
 >> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>
 >>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >> changes
 >>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>
 >>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not work):
 >>
 >>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>
 >>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>
 >>  Thanks,
 >>
 >>  Martin
 >>
 >>
 >

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 as &quot;General&quot; was reformatted.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
 a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szc=
 zesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
 blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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 1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this is what I have done so far.<div><br></div>=
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 /div><div>Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-G=
 B USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Window=
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 href=3D"https://getfedora.org/" target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.org/</a=
 ></div><div>I chose the Fedora workstation option.</div><div>The process lo=
 ads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates the USB-instal=
 l.</div><div><br></div><div>I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with =
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  boot sequence,</div><div>and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy=
  of Fedora-26.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 b=
 eta image.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5=
 "><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14,=
  2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
 artin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
 e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
 eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following reply was made to =
 PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-<wbr>amd64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:01:33 -0400

 --f403043ec4a48973bf05544bad91
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.

 There is an ability to pick "Legacy" mode ...
 however, first you need to disable "Secure Boot" with multiple warnings
 from the Dell BIOS.


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Just as an FYI:
 >
 > The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 > UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1
 >
 > Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >>
 >> I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 >> Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB
 >> USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.
 >>
 >> I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the
 >> Fedora-25 machine.
 >> The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 >> I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 >> The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then
 >> creates the USB-install.
 >>
 >> I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and
 >> went to Dell BIOS.
 >> The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 >> UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >>
 >> I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 >> and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >>
 >> I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >>
 >>
 >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >>> GNATS.
 >>>
 >>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>> Cc:
 >>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>>
 >>>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >>> changes
 >>>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>>
 >>>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not
 >>> work):
 >>>
 >>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >>> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>>
 >>>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>>
 >>>  Thanks,
 >>>
 >>>  Martin
 >>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.<div><br></d=
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 owever, first you need to disable &quot;Secure Boot&quot; with multiple war=
 nings from the Dell BIOS.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
 ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Sz=
 czesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"=
 _blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
 l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
 :1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Just as an FYI:<div><br></div><div>The Fedora-25 ins=
 tall USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:</div><div>UEFI: =C2=A0PNY USB 2.0 FD=
  PMAP, Partition 1</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that show=
 ed up as &quot;General&quot; was reformatted.</div></div><div class=3D"HOEn=
 Zb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
 ote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
 a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&g=
 t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. t=
 his is what I have done so far.<div><br></div><div>I noticed that Fedora-25=
  was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.</div><div>Rather than do that=
 , I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB-3.0 that failed for Net=
 BSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Windows machine, to avoid the autom=
 atic upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</div><div>The website that I used is=
 : =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://getfedora.org=
 /" target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.org/</a></div><div>I chose the Fedor=
 a workstation option.</div><div>The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app=
  onto Windows, and then creates the USB-install.</div><div><br></div><div>I=
  shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and wen=
 t to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was recognized as option. =C2=A0 It was l=
 isted as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Partition 1<br></div><div><br></div><div=
 >I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,</div><div>and=
  successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.</div><div><br>=
 </div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.</div><div><br></di=
 v></div><div class=3D"m_-7941441579128716127HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-794144=
 1579128716127h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
 ref=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&=
 gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following rep=
 ly was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-am<wbr>d64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

 --f403043ec4a48973bf05544bad91--

From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 04:44:30 -0400

 --001a114dd4e4a63a180554572ccd
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 Tried to use the "Legacy" mode on the Dell box.
 It turns out that the "Legacy Option ROMs" need to  be enabled for Legacy
 boot mode.
 Not clear how to do that.  NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route.


 On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.
 >
 > There is an ability to pick "Legacy" mode ...
 > however, first you need to disable "Secure Boot" with multiple warnings
 > from the Dell BIOS.
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Just as an FYI:
 >>
 >> The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 >> UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1
 >>
 >> Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.
 >>
 >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>> OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >>>
 >>> I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 >>> Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB
 >>> USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.
 >>>
 >>> I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the
 >>> Fedora-25 machine.
 >>> The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 >>> I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 >>> The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then
 >>> creates the USB-install.
 >>>
 >>> I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and
 >>> went to Dell BIOS.
 >>> The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 >>> UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >>>
 >>> I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 >>> and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >>>
 >>> I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>> wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >>>> GNATS.
 >>>>
 >>>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>>> Cc:
 >>>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>>>
 >>>>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >>>> changes
 >>>>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>>>
 >>>>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not
 >>>> work):
 >>>>
 >>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >>>> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>>>
 >>>>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>>>
 >>>>  Thanks,
 >>>>
 >>>>  Martin
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">Tried to use the &quot;Legacy&quot; mode on the Dell box.<=
 div>It turns out that the &quot;Legacy Option ROMs&quot; need to =C2=A0be e=
 nabled for Legacy boot mode.</div><div>Not clear how to do that.=C2=A0 NetB=
 SD-8 beta seems to be the better route.</div><div><br></div></div><div clas=
 s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:=
 01 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.co=
 m" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
 ;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It seems that the Dell BIOS is expectin=
 g UEFI.<div><br></div><div>There is an ability to pick &quot;Legacy&quot; m=
 ode ...</div><div>however, first you need to disable &quot;Secure Boot&quot=
 ; with multiple warnings from the Dell BIOS.</div><div><br></div></div><div=
  class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
 ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=
 =3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@g=
 mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
 =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
 =3D"ltr">Just as an FYI:<div><br></div><div>The Fedora-25 install USB shows=
  up on the Dell BIOS as:</div><div>UEFI: =C2=A0PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partiti=
 on 1</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as &quot=
 ;General&quot; was reformatted.</div></div><div class=3D"m_-595603994400369=
 1887HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-5956039944003691887h5"><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
 ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Sz=
 czesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"=
 _blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
 l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
 :1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this is what I have done so far.<div><br></div=
 ><div>I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.=
 </div><div>Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-=
 GB USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Windo=
 ws machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</div><=
 div>The website that I used is: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a=
  href=3D"https://getfedora.org/" target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.org/</=
 a></div><div>I chose the Fedora workstation option.</div><div>The process l=
 oads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates the USB-insta=
 ll.</div><div><br></div><div>I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with=
  the new USB attached, and went to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was recogni=
 zed as option. =C2=A0 It was listed as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Partition =
 1<br></div><div><br></div><div>I was able to set this option as first in th=
 e boot sequence,</div><div>and successfully installed a fresh, complete cop=
 y of Fedora-26.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 =
 beta image.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_-5956039944003691887m=
 _-7941441579128716127HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_-5956039944003691887m_-7941441=
 579128716127h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
 n Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
 ef=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&g=
 t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following repl=
 y was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-am<wbr>d64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:35:09 -0400

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 OK ... I would like to install NetBSD-8 beta.
 The install.html states:
 If installing via USB, you must first uncompress the USB image, which is
 gzipped.
        $

 * gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img.gz*
 I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.
 Can you send me the link to it?

 On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > Tried to use the "Legacy" mode on the Dell box.
 > It turns out that the "Legacy Option ROMs" need to  be enabled for Legacy
 > boot mode.
 > Not clear how to do that.  NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route.
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.
 >>
 >> There is an ability to pick "Legacy" mode ...
 >> however, first you need to disable "Secure Boot" with multiple warnings
 >> from the Dell BIOS.
 >>
 >>
 >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>> Just as an FYI:
 >>>
 >>> The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 >>> UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1
 >>>
 >>> Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.
 >>>
 >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >>>>
 >>>> I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 >>>> Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB
 >>>> USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.
 >>>>
 >>>> I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the
 >>>> Fedora-25 machine.
 >>>> The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 >>>> I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 >>>> The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then
 >>>> creates the USB-install.
 >>>>
 >>>> I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached,
 >>>> and went to Dell BIOS.
 >>>> The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 >>>> UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >>>>
 >>>> I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 >>>> and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >>>>
 >>>> I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>> wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by
 >>>>> GNATS.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>>>> Cc:
 >>>>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >>>>> changes
 >>>>>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not
 >>>>> work):
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >>>>> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  Thanks,
 >>>>>
 >>>>>  Martin
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 a.<br></div>The install.html states:<br>If installing via USB, you must fir=
 st uncompress the USB image, which
 is gzipped.
 <br>
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
 $ gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img.gz<b=
 r><br></div>I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.<br></div>Ca=
 n you send me the link to it?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szczesny <span d=
 ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem=
 @gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
 =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
 =3D"ltr">Tried to use the &quot;Legacy&quot; mode on the Dell box.<div>It t=
 urns out that the &quot;Legacy Option ROMs&quot; need to =C2=A0be enabled f=
 or Legacy boot mode.</div><div>Not clear how to do that.=C2=A0 NetBSD-8 bet=
 a seems to be the better route.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"HOE=
 nZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
 uote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
 a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&g=
 t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It seem=
 s that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.<div><br></div><div>There is an abil=
 ity to pick &quot;Legacy&quot; mode ...</div><div>however, first you need t=
 o disable &quot;Secure Boot&quot; with multiple warnings from the Dell BIOS=
 .</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_5156933338755679132HOEnZb"><div=
  class=3D"m_5156933338755679132h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
 s=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=
 =3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@g=
 mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
 =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
 =3D"ltr">Just as an FYI:<div><br></div><div>The Fedora-25 install USB shows=
  up on the Dell BIOS as:</div><div>UEFI: =C2=A0PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partiti=
 on 1</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as &quot=
 ;General&quot; was reformatted.</div></div><div class=3D"m_5156933338755679=
 132m_-5956039944003691887HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_5156933338755679132m_-5956=
 039944003691887h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
 ">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
 ref=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;<=
 /span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
 ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this=
  is what I have done so far.<div><br></div><div>I noticed that Fedora-25 wa=
 s offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.</div><div>Rather than do that, I=
  tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD=
 .</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automati=
 c upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</div><div>The website that I used is: =
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://getfedora.org/"=
  target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.org/</a></div><div>I chose the Fedora =
 workstation option.</div><div>The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app o=
 nto Windows, and then creates the USB-install.</div><div><br></div><div>I s=
 hutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached, and went =
 to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was recognized as option. =C2=A0 It was lis=
 ted as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Partition 1<br></div><div><br></div><div>I=
  was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,</div><div>and s=
 uccessfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.</div><div><br></=
 div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.</div><div><br></div>=
 </div><div class=3D"m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887m_-794144157=
 9128716127HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887=
 m_-7941441579128716127h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
 l_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr"=
 >&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskwar=
 e.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
 rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The foll=
 owing reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-am<wbr>d64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:08:47 -0400

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 I think I found it.

 On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > OK ... I would like to install NetBSD-8 beta.
 > The install.html states:
 > If installing via USB, you must first uncompress the USB image, which is
 > gzipped.
 >        $
 >
 > * gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img.gz*
 > I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.
 > Can you send me the link to it?
 >
 > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Tried to use the "Legacy" mode on the Dell box.
 >> It turns out that the "Legacy Option ROMs" need to  be enabled for Legacy
 >> boot mode.
 >> Not clear how to do that.  NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route.
 >>
 >>
 >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>> It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.
 >>>
 >>> There is an ability to pick "Legacy" mode ...
 >>> however, first you need to disable "Secure Boot" with multiple warnings
 >>> from the Dell BIOS.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> Just as an FYI:
 >>>>
 >>>> The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 >>>> UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1
 >>>>
 >>>> Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.
 >>>>
 >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
 >>>> wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 >>>>> Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB
 >>>>> USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the
 >>>>> Fedora-25 machine.
 >>>>> The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 >>>>> I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 >>>>> The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then
 >>>>> creates the USB-install.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached,
 >>>>> and went to Dell BIOS.
 >>>>> The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 >>>>> UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 >>>>> and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>>> wrote:
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted
 >>>>>> by GNATS.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>>>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>>>>> Cc:
 >>>>>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >>>>>> changes
 >>>>>>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not
 >>>>>> work):
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >>>>>> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  Thanks,
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>  Martin
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Tom Szczesny =
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"=
 >tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
 " style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
 div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>OK ... I would like to install NetBSD-8 beta=
 .<br></div>The install.html states:<br>If installing via USB, you must firs=
 t uncompress the USB image, which
 is gzipped.
 <br>
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
 $ gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.<wbr>img=
 .gz<br><br></div>I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.<br></d=
 iv>Can you send me the link to it?<br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div clas=
 s=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, =
 Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
 to:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
 e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
 eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Tried to use the &quo=
 t;Legacy&quot; mode on the Dell box.<div>It turns out that the &quot;Legacy=
  Option ROMs&quot; need to =C2=A0be enabled for Legacy boot mode.</div><div=
 >Not clear how to do that.=C2=A0 NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route=
 .</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_6316440348622306025HOEnZb"><div=
  class=3D"m_6316440348622306025h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
 s=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=
 =3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@g=
 mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
 =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
 =3D"ltr">It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.<div><br></div><div>=
 There is an ability to pick &quot;Legacy&quot; mode ...</div><div>however, =
 first you need to disable &quot;Secure Boot&quot; with multiple warnings fr=
 om the Dell BIOS.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_631644034862230=
 6025m_5156933338755679132HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_6316440348622306025m_51569=
 33338755679132h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 >On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
 ef=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
 span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
 x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Just as an =
 FYI:<div><br></div><div>The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS=
  as:</div><div>UEFI: =C2=A0PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1</div><div><br><=
 /div><div>Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as &quot;General&quot; was r=
 eformatted.</div></div><div class=3D"m_6316440348622306025m_515693333875567=
 9132m_-5956039944003691887HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_6316440348622306025m_5156=
 933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
 v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <spa=
 n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tav=
 mem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
 yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
 dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this is what I have done so far.<div><br></div><div>I not=
 iced that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.</div><div>=
 Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB USB-3.0 =
 that failed for NetBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my Windows machine,=
  to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</div><div>The web=
 site that I used is: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"ht=
 tps://getfedora.org/" target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.org/</a></div><di=
 v>I chose the Fedora workstation option.</div><div>The process loads a Fedo=
 ra-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates the USB-install.</div><d=
 iv><br></div><div>I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new US=
 B attached, and went to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was recognized as opti=
 on. =C2=A0 It was listed as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Partition 1<br></div>=
 <div><br></div><div>I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequ=
 ence,</div><div>and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora=
 -26.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.=
 </div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_6316440348622306025m_51569333387=
 55679132m_-5956039944003691887m_-7941441579128716127HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m=
 _6316440348622306025m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887m_-794144157=
 9128716127h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
 Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
 =3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;=
 </span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
 8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following reply =
 was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-am<wbr>d64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

 --001a114dd55a72ef14055467704c--

From: Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:35:23 -0400

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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

 OK ... we've established that the Dell uses only UEFI.

 I've tried the 20170717 versions of both:
   NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso
   NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img

 I have re-formatted the USB prior to each attempt.
 I have done each of
   sudo dd if=NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=32k
   sudo dd if=NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32k
   sudo dd if=NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img of=/dev/sdb bs=32k
   sudo dd if=NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=32k

 The Dell setup does not recognize any of these as a valid UEFI boot option.
 I does not seem to me that the UEFI option is working in NetBSD-8.0 beta.

 Am I doing something wrong, or can you confirm that it is not yet working?




 On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:

 > I think I found it.
 >
 > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> OK ... I would like to install NetBSD-8 beta.
 >> The install.html states:
 >> If installing via USB, you must first uncompress the USB image, which is
 >> gzipped.
 >>        $
 >>
 >> * gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img.gz*
 >> I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.
 >> Can you send me the link to it?
 >>
 >> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>
 >>> Tried to use the "Legacy" mode on the Dell box.
 >>> It turns out that the "Legacy Option ROMs" need to  be enabled for
 >>> Legacy boot mode.
 >>> Not clear how to do that.  NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.
 >>>>
 >>>> There is an ability to pick "Legacy" mode ...
 >>>> however, first you need to disable "Secure Boot" with multiple warnings
 >>>> from the Dell BIOS.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
 >>>> wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> Just as an FYI:
 >>>>>
 >>>>> The Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:
 >>>>> UEFI:  PNY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Note: the PNY USB-3.0 that showed up as "General" was reformatted.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom Szczesny <tavmem@gmail.com>
 >>>>> wrote:
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> OK .. this is what I have done so far.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora-26.
 >>>>>> Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY 64-GB
 >>>>>> USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> I used my Windows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the
 >>>>>> Fedora-25 machine.
 >>>>>> The website that I used is:            https://getfedora.org/
 >>>>>> I chose the Fedora workstation option.
 >>>>>> The process loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then
 >>>>>> creates the USB-install.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated with the new USB attached,
 >>>>>> and went to Dell BIOS.
 >>>>>> The USB was recognized as option.   It was listed as:
 >>>>>> UEFI: General. Partition 1
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> I was able to set this option as first in the boot sequence,
 >>>>>> and successfully installed a fresh, complete copy of Fedora-26.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> I have not yet tried the NetBSD-8 beta image.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>>>> wrote:
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>> The following reply was made to PR install/52399; it has been noted
 >>>>>>> by GNATS.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
 >>>>>>> To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 >>>>>>> Cc:
 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
 >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that
 >>>>>>> changes
 >>>>>>>  is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  Here is an example link (they are changing, try
 >>>>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/ if it does not
 >>>>>>> work):
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131
 >>>>>>> 920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  Thanks,
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>  Martin
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>
 >>>
 >>
 >

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 <div dir=3D"ltr">OK ... we&#39;ve established that the Dell uses only UEFI.=
 <div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve tried the 20170717 versions of both:</div><div=
 >=C2=A0 NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso</div><div>=C2=A0 NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-inst=
 all.img</div><div><br></div><div>I have re-formatted the USB prior to each =
 attempt.</div><div>I have done each of=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0 sudo dd if=3D=
 NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso of=3D/dev/sdb bs=3D32k</div><div>=C2=A0 sudo dd if=
 =3DNetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso of=3D/dev/sdb1 bs=3D32k</div><div>=C2=A0 sudo d=
 d if=3DNetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img of=3D/dev/sdb bs=3D32k</div><div>=
 =C2=A0 sudo dd if=3DNetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img of=3D/dev/sdb1 bs=3D32=
 k</div><div><br></div><div>The Dell setup does not recognize any of these a=
 s a valid UEFI boot option.</div><div>I does not seem to me that the UEFI o=
 ption is working in NetBSD-8.0 beta.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I doing so=
 mething wrong, or can you confirm that it is not yet working?</div><div><br=
 ></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><=
 div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 12:08 AM, Tom Szczesny <s=
 pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">t=
 avmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
 v dir=3D"ltr">I think I found it.<br></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=
 =3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, J=
 ul 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
 o:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
 :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
 ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>OK ... =
 I would like to install NetBSD-8 beta.<br></div>The install.html states:<br=
 >If installing via USB, you must first uncompress the USB image, which
 is gzipped.
 <br>
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
 $ gunzip NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.i<wbr>mg=
 .gz<br><br></div>I cannot seem to find the compressed USB image.<br></d=
 iv>Can you send me the link to it?<br></div><div class=3D"m_539596324425132=
 1215HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_5395963244251321215h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
 a"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Tom Szcz=
 esny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
 lank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
 quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
 ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Tried to use the &quot;Legacy&quot; mode on the Dell b=
 ox.<div>It turns out that the &quot;Legacy Option ROMs&quot; need to =C2=A0=
 be enabled for Legacy boot mode.</div><div>Not clear how to do that.=C2=A0 =
 NetBSD-8 beta seems to be the better route.</div><div><br></div></div><div =
 class=3D"m_5395963244251321215m_6316440348622306025HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_=
 5395963244251321215m_6316440348622306025h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
 <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Tom Szczesny <s=
 pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">t=
 avmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
 v dir=3D"ltr">It seems that the Dell BIOS is expecting UEFI.<div><br></div>=
 <div>There is an ability to pick &quot;Legacy&quot; mode ...</div><div>howe=
 ver, first you need to disable &quot;Secure Boot&quot; with multiple warnin=
 gs from the Dell BIOS.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_5395963244=
 251321215m_6316440348622306025m_5156933338755679132HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_=
 5395963244251321215m_6316440348622306025m_5156933338755679132h5"><div class=
 =3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:=
 49 PM, Tom Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.co=
 m" target=3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
 ;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Just as an FYI:<div><br></div><div>The =
 Fedora-25 install USB shows up on the Dell BIOS as:</div><div>UEFI: =C2=A0P=
 NY USB 2.0 FD PMAP, Partition 1</div><div><br></div><div>Note: the PNY USB-=
 3.0 that showed up as &quot;General&quot; was reformatted.</div></div><div =
 class=3D"m_5395963244251321215m_6316440348622306025m_5156933338755679132m_-=
 5956039944003691887HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_5395963244251321215m_63164403486=
 22306025m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887h5"><div class=3D"gmail_=
 extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Tom=
  Szczesny <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tavmem@gmail.com" target=
 =3D"_blank">tavmem@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"=
 gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
 left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">OK .. this is what I have done so far.<div><br><=
 /div><div>I noticed that Fedora-25 was offering to upgrade itself to Fedora=
 -26.</div><div>Rather than do that, I tried the USB-route with the same PNY=
  64-GB USB-3.0 that failed for NetBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>I used my W=
 indows machine, to avoid the automatic upgrade on the Fedora-25 machine.</d=
 iv><div>The website that I used is: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
 =A0<a href=3D"https://getfedora.org/" target=3D"_blank">https://getfedora.o=
 rg/</a></div><div>I chose the Fedora workstation option.</div><div>The proc=
 ess loads a Fedora-media-writer app onto Windows, and then creates the USB-=
 install.</div><div><br></div><div>I shutdown the Fedora-25 box and restated=
  with the new USB attached, and went to Dell BIOS.</div><div>The USB was re=
 cognized as option. =C2=A0 It was listed as:</div><div>UEFI: General. Parti=
 tion 1<br></div><div><br></div><div>I was able to set this option as first =
 in the boot sequence,</div><div>and successfully installed a fresh, complet=
 e copy of Fedora-26.</div><div><br></div><div>I have not yet tried the NetB=
 SD-8 beta image.</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"m_5395963244251321=
 215m_6316440348622306025m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887m_-79414=
 41579128716127HOEnZb"><div class=3D"m_5395963244251321215m_6316440348622306=
 025m_5156933338755679132m_-5956039944003691887m_-7941441579128716127h5"><di=
 v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017=
  at 9:50 AM, Martin Husemann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin=
 @duskware.de" target=3D"_blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
 ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
 px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>The following reply was made to PR in=
 stall/52399; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
 <br>
 From: Martin Husemann &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
 blank">martin@duskware.de</a>&gt;<br>
 To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org<br>
 Cc:<br>
 Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot<br>
 </span>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:47:44 +0200<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Hmmm - could you try a NetBSD-8 beta image? One of the things that ch=
 anges<br>
 =C2=A0is support for UEFI firmware (not sure what your Dell has).<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Here is an example link (they are changing, try<br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/" rel=3D=
 "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-dail=
 y/netbsd-8/</a> if it does not work):<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/20170713=
 1920Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64.iso" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank=
 ">http://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/N<wbr>etBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707131<wbr>920Z=
 /images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-am<wbr>d64.iso</a><br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Could you also provide a link to the working Fedora image?<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
 <br>
 =C2=A0Martin<br>
 <br>
 </blockquote></div><br></div>
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From: Soren Jacobsen <snj@blef.org>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: tavmem@gmail.com
Subject: Re: install/52399: NetBSD install USB does not boot
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:23:08 -0700

 On 07/18 02:40, Tom Szczesny wrote:
 >  
 >  OK ... we've established that the Dell uses only UEFI.
 >  
 >  I've tried the 20170717 versions of both:
 >    NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386.iso
 >    NetBSD-8.0_BETA-i386-install.img

 You want amd64, not i386.  The only images suitable for dd'ing to USB
 are the .img.gz ones, and the UEFI image is separate.  Try this one:

 http://daily-builds.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-8/201707180040Z/images/NetBSD-8.0_BETA-amd64-uefi-install.img.gz

 Soren

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