NetBSD Problem Report #49505

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From: n54@gmx.com
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Subject: Relocate Lua documentation?
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>Number:         49505
>Category:       toolchain
>Synopsis:       Relocate Lua documentation?
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    toolchain-manager
>State:          open
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   net
>Arrival-Date:   Fri Dec 26 04:15:00 +0000 2014
>Closed-Date:    
>Last-Modified:  Thu May 26 04:53:03 +0000 2022
>Originator:     Kamil Rytarowski
>Release:        NetBSD-current (before 7.0 release)
>Organization:
>Environment:
N/A
>Description:
I can miss the point, but what's the reason to put Lua documentation man3lua and man9lua in man.tar.gz?
man3 and man9 are in comp.tar.gz

I doubt that anyone will be interested e.g. in a Lua kernel hacking without the comp set.

original mail:
http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-toolchain/2014/12/25/msg002491.html
>How-To-Repeat:
N/A
>Fix:
N/A

>Release-Note:

>Audit-Trail:
From: David Holland <dholland-bugs@netbsd.org>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:59:23 +0000

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 04:15:00AM +0000, n54@gmx.com wrote:
  > I can miss the point, but what's the reason to put Lua
  > documentation man3lua and man9lua in man.tar.gz?
  > man3 and man9 are in comp.tar.gz

 bugs :-)

  > I doubt that anyone will be interested e.g. in a Lua kernel hacking
  > without the comp set.

 indeed.

 -- 
 David A. Holland
 dholland@netbsd.org

From: "Kamil Rytarowski" <n54@gmx.com>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:46:08 +0100

 Any interest?
 This bug is affecting NetBSD-7.

State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: mbalmer@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:41:54 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
Lua can perfectly be used without the comp set installed.  The two new sections
man3lua and man9lua make sense.


From: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, toolchain-manager@NetBSD.org,
        gnats-admin@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org, n54@gmx.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:40:33 +0100

 Am 05.02.15 um 10:50 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
 > The following reply was made to PR toolchain/49505; it has been noted by GNATS.
 > 
 > From: "Kamil Rytarowski" <n54@gmx.com>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc: 
 > Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
 > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:46:08 +0100
 > 
 >  Any interest?
 >  This bug is affecting NetBSD-7.
 >  
 > 

 This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.

From: "Kamil Rytarowski" <n54@gmx.com>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: marc@msys.ch
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:45:57 +0100

 Marc Balmer wrote:
 >  This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.

 Hello,

 The point was that the developer tools come together not that one or the other piece depends on comp.

 Thanks for feedback!

 Regads,

From: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
To: "gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org" <gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org>
Cc: "toolchain-manager@NetBSD.org" <toolchain-manager@NetBSD.org>,
        "gnats-admin@NetBSD.org" <gnats-admin@NetBSD.org>,
        "netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org" <netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org>,
        "n54@gmx.com" <n54@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:42:21 +0100

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 just a word of clarification: Lua is not a developer tool. ( it can be used,=
  however, for this purpose)


 > Am 10.02.2015 um 21:50 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski <n54@gmx.com>:
 >=20
 > The following reply was made to PR toolchain/49505; it has been noted by G=
 NATS.
 >=20
 > From: "Kamil Rytarowski" <n54@gmx.com>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc: marc@msys.ch
 > Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:45:57 +0100
 >=20
 > Marc Balmer wrote:
 >> This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.
 >=20
 > Hello,
 >=20
 > The point was that the developer tools come together not that one or the o=
 ther piece depends on comp.
 >=20
 > Thanks for feedback!
 >=20
 > Regads,
 >=20

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From: matthew green <mrg@eterna.com.au>
To: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
Cc: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, toolchain-manager@NetBSD.org,
    gnats-admin@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org, n54@gmx.com
Subject: re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:13:24 +1100

 > This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.

 so.. why are they in section 3?

 either way, something is wrong -- section 3 does not belong
 in the man set, but the comp set.

 it sounds like lua docs belong in section 1.  eg, like awk.1
 and sed.1, etc.


 .mrg.

From: "Kamil Rytarowski" <n54@gmx.com>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, marc@msys.ch, mrg@eterna.com.au
Cc: 
Subject: Re: re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:01:48 +0100

 matthew green wrote:
 > Marc Balmer wrote
 >  > This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.
 >  
 >  so.. why are they in section 3?
 >  
 >  either way, something is wrong -- section 3 does not belong
 >  in the man set, but the comp set.
 >  
 >  it sounds like lua docs belong in section 1.  eg, like awk.1
 >  and sed.1, etc.
 >  
 > 

 The current Lua documented functions don't cleanly match
 "general commands" (section 1).

 Lua man pages:

 gpio.3lua        gpio.close.3lua  gpio.open.3lua   gpio.set.3lua
 gpio.unset.3lua  intro.3lua       syslog.3lua      gpio.attach.3lua
 gpio.info.3lua   gpio.read.3lua   gpio.toggle.3lua gpio.write.3lua
 sqlite.3lua

 intro.9lua pmf.9lua   systm.9lua

 In my opinion they match section 3 (Library functions) and section
 9 (Kernel). as they are document ordinary API. All man pages section
 3 and 9 are in comp.

 If there is exception for Lua then OK, I was just wondering.

From: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
To: Kamil Rytarowski <n54@gmx.com>, gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, mrg@eterna.com.au
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505: Relocate Lua documentation?
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:40:39 +0100

 Am 11.02.15 um 12:01 schrieb Kamil Rytarowski:
 > matthew green wrote:
 >> Marc Balmer wrote
 >>  > This is not a bug.  Lua can be used without the comp set installed.
 >>  
 >>  so.. why are they in section 3?
 >>  
 >>  either way, something is wrong -- section 3 does not belong
 >>  in the man set, but the comp set.
 >>  
 >>  it sounds like lua docs belong in section 1.  eg, like awk.1
 >>  and sed.1, etc.
 >>  
 >>
 > 
 > The current Lua documented functions don't cleanly match
 > "general commands" (section 1).
 > 
 > Lua man pages:
 > 
 > gpio.3lua        gpio.close.3lua  gpio.open.3lua   gpio.set.3lua
 > gpio.unset.3lua  intro.3lua       syslog.3lua      gpio.attach.3lua
 > gpio.info.3lua   gpio.read.3lua   gpio.toggle.3lua gpio.write.3lua
 > sqlite.3lua
 > 
 > intro.9lua pmf.9lua   systm.9lua
 > 
 > In my opinion they match section 3 (Library functions) and section
 > 9 (Kernel). as they are document ordinary API. All man pages section
 > 3 and 9 are in comp.
 > 
 > If there is exception for Lua then OK, I was just wondering.
 > 

 Yes, section 3lua and 9lua are not section 3 and 9.  This was discussed
 and decided so quite some time ago, so please leave it as it is.

From: David Holland <dholland-bugs@netbsd.org>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505 (Relocate Lua documentation?)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:15:00 +0000

 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:41:54AM +0000, mbalmer@NetBSD.org wrote:
  > Lua can perfectly be used without the comp set installed.  The two
  > new sections man3lua and man9lua make sense.

 The new sections may make sense, but they belong with the rest of the
 section 3 and section 9 docs. Asserting to the contrary doesn't change
 the situation.

 -- 
 David A. Holland
 dholland@netbsd.org

From: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, toolchain-manager@NetBSD.org,
        gnats-admin@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org, n54@gmx.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: toolchain/49505 (Relocate Lua documentation?)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:33:04 +0100

 Am 11.02.15 um 18:20 schrieb David Holland:
 > The following reply was made to PR toolchain/49505; it has been noted by GNATS.
 > 
 > From: David Holland <dholland-bugs@netbsd.org>
 > To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
 > Cc: 
 > Subject: Re: toolchain/49505 (Relocate Lua documentation?)
 > Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:15:00 +0000
 > 
 >  On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:41:54AM +0000, mbalmer@NetBSD.org wrote:
 >   > Lua can perfectly be used without the comp set installed.  The two
 >   > new sections man3lua and man9lua make sense.
 >  
 >  The new sections may make sense, but they belong with the rest of the
 >  section 3 and section 9 docs. Asserting to the contrary doesn't change
 >  the situation.

 No.  As I said previously 3lua and 9lua are different from 3 and 9 and
 describe a different set of functionality that is not directly related
 to material in 3 and 9.  And whereas 3 and 9 probably only make sense
 when comp is installed, the stuff documented in 3lua and 9lua comes with
 the base install and therefore this documentation come with the base
 install in consequence.

State-Changed-From-To: closed->open
State-Changed-By: dholland@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Thu, 26 May 2022 04:53:03 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
this was never fixed


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