NetBSD Problem Report #52735

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:11:51 +0100
From: Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
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Subject: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf
 Hitler
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>Number:         52735
>Category:       bin
>Synopsis:       Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       high
>Responsible:    mlelstv
>State:          closed
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   net
>Arrival-Date:   Sat Nov 18 12:15:00 +0000 2017
>Closed-Date:    Sun Nov 20 07:40:04 +0000 2022
>Last-Modified:  Sun Nov 20 07:40:04 +0000 2022
>Originator:     Rhialto
>Release:        NetBSD 7.0.1
>Organization:

>Environment:


System: NetBSD murthe.falu.nl 7.0.1 NetBSD 7.0.1 (MURTHE7.0.1) #0: Tue Jun 7 23:03:24 CEST 2016 rhialto@murthe.falu.nl:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/MURTHE7.0.1 amd64
Architecture: x86_64
Machine: amd64
>Description:


It has come to my attention that FreeBSD has removed fortunes quoted
from Adolf Hitler a few days ago. I was very surprised that there
actually were such quotes!

https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=325781
or
https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd/commit/0271df5714d9ce5274f82889febb6536a2fdba59

Then soon after that they went a bit overboard and removed basically all
fortune cookies:
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=325828


I checked our fortune cookies database, and I was appalled to notice
that we do have the same quotes there. Apart from those quotes being
wholly inappropriate in a list of funny quotes, they are probably
illegal in Germany (where I now happen to live).

I hereby propose to remove them (but not remove all fortunes).

>How-To-Repeat:

$ fortune -m Hitler all

>Fix:

Diff:

Index: fortunes
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes,v
retrieving revision 1.64
diff -u -r1.64 fortunes
--- fortunes	13 Jun 2017 17:18:00 -0000	1.64
+++ fortunes	17 Nov 2017 21:23:43 -0000
@@ -13633,11 +13633,6 @@
 There is a natural hootchy-kootchy to a goldfish.
 		-- Walt Disney
 %
-There is a road to freedom.  Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor,
-Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and
-love of the Fatherland.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly
 what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly
 disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
Index: fortunes2
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2,v
retrieving revision 1.59
diff -u -r1.59 fortunes2
--- fortunes2	2 Jul 2017 07:02:47 -0000	1.59
+++ fortunes2	17 Nov 2017 21:23:45 -0000
@@ -15803,10 +15803,6 @@
 		[actually, the term "bug" had even earlier usage in
 		regard to problems with radio hardware.  Ed.]
 %
-Everlasting peace will come to the world when the last man has slain
-the last but one.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 Every 4 seconds a woman has a baby.
 Our problem is to find this woman and stop her.
 %
@@ -18740,15 +18736,6 @@
 %
 Goodbye, cool world.
 %
-Goose pimples rose all over me, my hair stood on end, my eyes filled with
-tears of love and gratitude for this greatest of all conquerors of human
-misery and shame, and my breath came in little gasps.  If I had not known
-that the Leader would have scorned such adulation, I might have fallen to
-my knees in unashamed worship, but instead I drew myself to attention, raised
-my arm in the eternal salute of the ancient Roman Legions and repeated the
-holy words, "Heil Hitler!"
-		-- George Lincoln Rockwell
-%
 Gordon's Law:
 	If you think you have the solution, the question was poorly phrased.
 %
@@ -21618,9 +21605,6 @@
 I go on working for the same reason a hen goes on laying eggs.
 		-- H.L. Mencken
 %
-I go the way that Providence dictates.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 "I got into an elevator at work and this man followed in after me... I
 pushed '1' and he just stood there... I said 'Hi, where you going?'  He
 said, 'Phoenix.'  So I pushed Phoenix.  A few seconds later the doors
@@ -22670,12 +22654,6 @@
 in his veins.
 		-- Sigmund Freud, in a letter to his fiancee
 %
-I shall give a propagandist reason for starting the war, no matter whether
-it is plausible or not.  The victor will not be asked afterwards whether
-he told the truth or not.  When starting and waging war it is not right
-that matters, but victory.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 I shot an arrow in to the air, and it stuck.
 		-- graffito in Los Angeles

@@ -24080,10 +24058,6 @@
 If I love you, what business is it of yours?
 		-- Johann van Goethe
 %
-If I made peace with Russia today, I'd only attack her again tomorrow.  I
-just couldn't help myself.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 If I promised you the moon and the stars, would you believe it?
 		-- Alan Parsons Project
 %
@@ -25650,10 +25624,6 @@
 complaining.
 		-- Jef Raskin
 %
-Imagine me going around with a pot belly.
-It would mean political ruin.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 Imagine that Cray computer decides to make a personal computer.  It has a
 150 MHz processor, 200 megabytes of RAM, 1500 megabytes of disk storage, a
 screen resolution of 1024 x 1024 pixels, relies entirely on voice recognition
@@ -40269,9 +40239,6 @@
 %
 Success is something I will dress for when I get there, and not until.
 %
-Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong.
-		-- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
-%
 Succumb to natural tendencies.  Be hateful and boring.
 %
 Such a fine first dream!
@@ -40883,9 +40850,6 @@
 Texas is Hell on woman and horses.
 		-- Wayne Oakes
 %
-Thank God I've always avoided persecuting my enemies.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 Thank you for observing all safety precautions.
 %
 That all men should be brothers is the dream of people who have no brothers.
@@ -41456,10 +41420,6 @@
 %
 The British are coming!  The British are coming!
 %
-The broad mass of a nation... will more easily
-fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
-		-- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
-%
 The brotherhood of man is not a mere poet's dream; it is a most depressing
 and humiliating reality.
 		-- Oscar Wilde
@@ -42058,10 +42018,6 @@
 a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible.
 		-- Bertrand Russell, in "Marriage and Morals", 1929
 %
-The fact that Hitler was a political genius unmasks the nature of politics
-in general as no other can.
-	-- Wilhelm Reich
-%
 The fact that it works is immaterial.
 		-- L. Ogborn
 %
@@ -45385,10 +45341,6 @@
 %
 The value of a program is proportional to the weight of its output.
 %
-The very first essential for success is a perpetually
-constant and regular employment of violence.
-		-- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
-%
 The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.  Instead of
 altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their
 views ... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the
@@ -46268,11 +46220,6 @@

 It's called the Birch John Society.
 %
-There is a road to freedom.  Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty,
-Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the
-Fatherland.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly
 what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
 and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.  There
@@ -49259,11 +49206,6 @@
 [I came, I saw, I conquered].
 		-- Gaius Julius Caesar
 %
-"Violence accomplishes nothing."  What a contemptible lie!  Raw, naked
-violence has settled more issues throughout history than any other method
-ever employed.  Perhaps the city fathers of Carthage could debate the
-issue, with Hitler and Alexander as judges?
-%
 Violence is a sword that has no handle -- you have to hold the blade.
 %
 Violence is molding.
@@ -50834,9 +50776,6 @@
 goest thou?  Whither goest thou, America, in thy shiny car in the night?
 		-- Jack Kerouac
 %
-What luck for the rulers that men do not think.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 What makes the Universe so hard to comprehend
 is that there's nothing to compare it with.
 %
@@ -53318,11 +53257,6 @@
 %
 Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!?!!!!
 %
-Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that cocaine
-stuff....
-		-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
-		testimony, 1947
-%
 Would you *really* want to get on a non-stop flight?
 		-- George Carlin
 %
Index: fortunes2-o.real
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2-o.real,v
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.15 fortunes2-o.real
--- fortunes2-o.real	17 Feb 2013 13:36:01 -0000	1.15
+++ fortunes2-o.real	17 Nov 2017 21:23:45 -0000
@@ -3448,10 +3448,6 @@
 she flies; fly from her, she follows.
 		-- Chamfort
 %
-A woman must be a cute, cuddly, naive
-little thing -- tender, sweet, and stupid.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%
 A woman occasionally is quite a serviceable substitute for masturbation.
 It takes an abundance of imagination, to be sure.
 		-- Karl Kraus, "Die Fackel"
@@ -13827,7 +13823,3 @@
 Zippity doo dah, zippity ay.
 		-- John Valby
 %
-A highly intelligent man should take a primitive woman.  Imagine if on top
-of everything else, I had a woman who interfered with my work.
-		-- Adolf Hitler
-%

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
\X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl      -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.

--vAI1qQJh029176.1510969946/smtp.falu.nl--

>Release-Note:

>Audit-Trail:
From: Chris Baird <cjb@brushtail.apana.org.au>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: 
Subject: Re: bin/52735: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:36:13 +1100

 Rhialto  <rhialto@falu.nl>:
  > I checked our fortune cookies database, and I was appalled to notice
  > that we do have the same quotes there. Apart from those quotes being
  > wholly inappropriate in a list of funny quotes,
  > they are probably illegal in Germany (where I now happen to live).

 Germany lifted the ban on the publication of Mein Kampf in 2016.

 If you're appaled that Hitler used common statesmanship to gain power
 for the Nazi Party and wish to nanny other adults into not knowing this,
 you're exhibiting knee-jerk malfunctional social programming.

 (and then appeared in your .sig)

 > Those who don't understand X
 > are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.

 --
 Chris Baird,, <cjb@brushtail.apana.org.au>

From: Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg@bec.de>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
	Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
Subject: Re: bin/52735: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing
 admiration of Adolf Hitler
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 18:46:55 +0100

 On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 05:05:01PM +0000, Chris Baird wrote:
 > The following reply was made to PR bin/52735; it has been noted by GNATS.
 > 
 > From: Chris Baird <cjb@brushtail.apana.org.au>
 > To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
 > Cc: 
 > Subject: Re: bin/52735: Remove fortune quotes attributed to or providing admiration of Adolf Hitler
 > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 02:36:13 +1100
 > 
 >  Rhialto  <rhialto@falu.nl>:
 >   > I checked our fortune cookies database, and I was appalled to notice
 >   > that we do have the same quotes there. Apart from those quotes being
 >   > wholly inappropriate in a list of funny quotes,
 >   > they are probably illegal in Germany (where I now happen to live).
 >  
 >  Germany lifted the ban on the publication of Mein Kampf in 2016.

 Can we please get our history right when making such statements? There
 *never* was a ban of Mein Kampf in Germany. It was always at most a case
 of copyright infrigment because the state of Bavaria inherited the
 copyright and disallowed others to publish it in Germany. But that's all
 there ever was. There was an attempt by a group of publishers and
 historians to create a "final" commented edition before the copyright
 expired to prevent Neonazis from exploiting it without any competition,
 but Bavaria blocked that. I guess that tells just as much...

 Joerg

From: "Maya Rashish" <maya@netbsd.org>
To: gnats-bugs@gnats.NetBSD.org
Cc: 
Subject: PR/52735 CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:48:50 +0000

 Module Name:	src
 Committed By:	maya
 Date:		Sat Nov 18 20:48:50 UTC 2017

 Modified Files:
 	src/games/fortune/datfiles: fortunes fortunes2 fortunes2-o.real

 Log Message:
 Remove a few offensive quotes, put in as many new quotes.

 PR bin/52735


 To generate a diff of this commit:
 cvs rdiff -u -r1.65 -r1.66 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes
 cvs rdiff -u -r1.59 -r1.60 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2
 cvs rdiff -u -r1.15 -r1.16 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2-o.real

 Please note that diffs are not public domain; they are subject to the
 copyright notices on the relevant files.

From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFyb23DrXIgRG9sZcSNZWs=?= <jaromir.dolecek@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org, Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
Subject: Re: PR/52735 CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:45:03 +0100

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 This commit should be reverted.

 Jaromir

 2017-11-18 21:50 GMT+01:00 Maya Rashish <maya@netbsd.org>:
 >
 > The following reply was made to PR bin/52735; it has been noted by GNATS.
 >
 > From: "Maya Rashish" <maya@netbsd.org>
 > To: gnats-bugs@gnats.NetBSD.org
 > Cc:
 > Subject: PR/52735 CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles
 > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:48:50 +0000
 >
 >  Module Name:   src
 >  Committed By:  maya
 >  Date:          Sat Nov 18 20:48:50 UTC 2017
 >
 >  Modified Files:
 >         src/games/fortune/datfiles: fortunes fortunes2 fortunes2-o.real
 >
 >  Log Message:
 >  Remove a few offensive quotes, put in as many new quotes.
 >
 >  PR bin/52735
 >
 >
 >  To generate a diff of this commit:
 >  cvs rdiff -u -r1.65 -r1.66 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes
 >  cvs rdiff -u -r1.59 -r1.60 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2
 >  cvs rdiff -u -r1.15 -r1.16 src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes2-o.real
 >
 >  Please note that diffs are not public domain; they are subject to the
 >  copyright notices on the relevant files.
 >

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From: Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jarom=EDr?= Dole?ek <jaromir.dolecek@gmail.com>
Cc: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org, gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
	Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
Subject: Re: PR/52735 CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:47:50 +0100

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 On Sat 18 Nov 2017 at 23:45:03 +0100, Jarom=EDr Dole?ek wrote:
 > This commit should be reverted.

 For what reason? It doesn't remove enough of the quotes...
 You can't seriously claim you want to quote Adolf Hitler?

 > Jaromir
 -Olaf.
 --=20
 ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
 \X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl      -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.

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From: Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg@bec.de>
To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Cc: gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
	Rhialto <rhialto@falu.nl>
Subject: Re: PR/52735 CVS commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 00:15:54 +0100

 On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:50:02PM +0000, Rhialto wrote:
 >  You can't seriously claim you want to quote Adolf Hitler?

 Of course there are good reasons for quoting Adolf Hitler. Some of them
 will certainly require an attribute for proper interpretation, but some
 of them work very well (or even better) without knowing who created
 them.

 Joerg

State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: jdolecek@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 13:54:57 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
Not going to do this. The assertion by the PR Synopis is simply wrong, see
threead http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2017/11/18/msg032672.html
Also, better to not feed SJW/PC trolls like that.

I am not very good with quotes, but I find this one fairly well fitting:

The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men
of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.
                -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis


State-Changed-From-To: closed->open
State-Changed-By: maya@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:18:32 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
It's up to core.


Responsible-Changed-From-To: bin-bug-people->mlelstv
Responsible-Changed-By: wiz@NetBSD.org
Responsible-Changed-When: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 15:43:21 +0000
Responsible-Changed-Why:
board decided to move the quotes to the 'offensive' part of the fortunes.
mlelstv is preparing the commit.


State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
State-Changed-By: mlelstv@NetBSD.org
State-Changed-When: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 07:40:04 +0000
State-Changed-Why:
offensive quotes have been moved end of 2017 to fortunes-o 1.13 and fortunes2-o 1.18.


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