NetBSD Problem Report #59014
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC)
From: capa150@gmail.com
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To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
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>Number: 59014
>Category: port-macppc
>Synopsis: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
>Confidential: no
>Severity: serious
>Priority: medium
>Responsible: port-macppc-maintainer
>State: open
>Class: sw-bug
>Submitter-Id: net
>Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 20 19:00:00 +0000 2025
>Last-Modified: Thu Feb 06 05:35:01 +0000 2025
>Originator: Chris Tucker
>Release: 10.1
>Organization:
Self
>Environment:
NetBSD 10.1 NetBSD 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024 mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC macppc
>Description:
I am running 10.1 on a blue-and-white G3 Mac. I've been testing with a couple of repeated installs.
When I issue a "shutdown -r now" command, the system will state:
About to run shutdown hooks ...
Stopping cron.
Stopping inetd.
And then it hangs, requring me to press-and-hold the power button, or to press the Mac's reset button.
Sometimes the Mac shutds down properly:
About to run shutdown hooks ...
Stopping cron.
Stopping inetd.
Saved entropy to /var/db/entropy-file
Removing block-type swap devices
swapctl: removing /dev/wd0b as swap device
Thu Jan 16 14:55:35 UTC 2025
I was perusing the rc files and noted how shutdown apparently runs the scripts in /etc/rc.d in reverse order of rc on boot.
To narrow down the problem, I added an "echo" line in /etc/rc.shutdown:
for _rc_elem in $(reverse_list $files); do
echo $_rc_elem <--- I added this line
run_rc_script $_rc_elem stop
Thus, when the shutdown completes successfully, I see the following output:
binky# shutdown -rv now
Shutdown NOW!
shutdown: [pid 2471]
binky#
*** FINAL System shutdown message from chris@binky ***
System going down IMMEDIATELY
System shutdown time has arrived
About to run shutdown hooks...
/etc/rc.d/automount
/etc/rc.d/cron
Stopping cron.
/etc/rc.d/ftpd
/etc/rc.d/httpd
/etc/rc.d/identd
/etc/rc.d/inetd
Stopping inetd.
/etc/rc.d/mixerctl
/etc/rc.d/wsmoused
/etc/rc.d/local
/etc/rc.d/racoon
/etc/rc.d/ipfs
/etc/rc.d/downinterfaces
/etc/rc.d/altqd
/etc/rc.d/accounting
/etc/rc.d/random_seed
Saved entropy to /var/db/entropy-file.
/etc/rc.d/swap1
Removing block-type swap devices
swapctl: removing /dev/wd0b as swap device
/etc/rc.d/ccd
Sun Jan 19 14:23:13 UTC 2025
Done running shutdown hooks.
Connection to 10.0.0.251 closed by remote host.
Connection to 10.0.0.251 closed.
But when the shutdown freezes I get:
binky# shutdown -rv now
Shutdown NOW!
shutdown: [pid 584]
binky#
*** FINAL System shutdown message from chris@binky ***
System going down IMMEDIATELY
System shutdown time has arrived
About to run shutdown hooks...
/etc/rc.d/automount
/etc/rc.d/cron
Stopping cron.
/etc/rc.d/ftpd
/etc/rc.d/httpd
/etc/rc.d/identd
/etc/rc.d/inetd
Stopping inetd.
/etc/rc.d/mixerctl
/etc/rc.d/wsmoused
/etc/rc.d/local
/etc/rc.d/racoon
/etc/rc.d/ipfs
/etc/rc.d/downinterfaces
/etc/rc.d/altqd
/etc/rc.d/accounting
/etc/rc.d/random_seed
It freezes at the "random_seed" section, as you can see.
I edited /etc/rc.d random_seed to echo the name of every function/subroutine called in the script. Within random_seed, the function "random_save" is the last one to print prior to freezing.
That section among other things calls rndctl, which I had noticed earlier caused my Mac to freeze when I issued a rndctl command via the command line.
Thus, I suspect the problem may be associated with rndctl.
I did a search on the PRs and found the following two reports that might be similar to mine:
https://gnats.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-single.pl?number=55783
https://gnats.netbsd.org/cgi-bin/query-pr-single.pl?number=58322
(BTW, I configured entropy during the install process using the load binary option, off a local ftp server hosting the requested file generated by the dd command stated on the entropy installer page, and that seemed to work correctly.)
>How-To-Repeat:
Issue shutdown -r now command a few times. Somtimes it works, sometimes it freezes.
>Fix:
>Audit-Trail:
From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:40:36 +0100
Can you show the output of
rndctl -l
and
sysctl kern.entropy
(run as root) on that machine?
Martin
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:03:39 -0800
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netbsd# rndctl -l
Source Estimated bits Samples Type Flags
/dev/random 0 0 ??? collect, v
uhid5 0 0 tty collect, v, t
uhid4 0 0 tty collect, v, t
uhid3 0 0 tty collect, v, t
uhid2 0 0 tty collect, v, t
uhid1 0 0 tty collect, v, t
uhid0 0 0 tty collect, v, t
ums0 0 0 tty collect, v, t
cd0 0 0 disk collect, v, t
wd0 0 14199 disk collect, v, t
ukbd0 0 1481 tty collect, v, t
cpu0 0 2940 vm collect, v, t
hardclock 0 1101 skew collect, t
system-power 0 0 power collect, v, t
autoconf 0 115 ??? collect, t
seed 256 1 ??? estimate, collect, v
netbsd#
netbsd# sysctl kern.entropy
kern.entropy.collection =3D 1
kern.entropy.depletion =3D 0
kern.entropy.consolidate =3D 0
kern.entropy.gather =3D 0
kern.entropy.needed =3D 0
kern.entropy.pending =3D 0
kern.entropy.samplesneeded =3D 0
kern.entropy.samplespending =3D 512
kern.entropy.epoch =3D 9
netbsd#
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:45=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann via gnats <
gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> The following reply was made to PR port-macppc/59014; it has been noted b=
y
> GNATS.
>
> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc
> b&w G3
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:40:36 +0100
>
> Can you show the output of
>
> rndctl -l
> and
> sysctl kern.entropy
>
> (run as root) on that machine?
>
> Martin
>
>
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From: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@NetBSD.org>
To: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
Cc: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:05:04 +0000
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC)
> From: capa150@gmail.com
>
> That section among other things calls rndctl, which I had noticed
> earlier caused my Mac to freeze when I issued a rndctl command via
> the command line.
1. What rndctl invocation causes this? Can you share the output of
`rndctl -l' (as root), if it doesn't freeze?
2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like
entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advance to
do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic="+++++"' and then typing `+++++' at the
console? If so, can you share the output of `bt', `ps', `ps/w' and
`show all tstiles'?
3. Can you get a crash dump? (Can't remember if we support crash
dumps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)
4. Can you reset the machine -- hardware reset, rather than reboot or
power off and back on? If so, can you get dmesg from the previous
boot when this happens?
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd.org>, gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:22:26 -0800
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1. What rndctl invocation causes this? Can you share the output of
`rndctl -l' (as root), if it doesn't freeze?
I believe the freeze was using rndctl -L seed or rndctl -S seed. I just
tried a series (10x) of rndctl -L seed commands using a seed generated
saved from another machine and that worked fine.
Then I tried rndctl -S seed2 one time and the machine froze both at the
console and also on an ssh session connecting to the Mac from another
machine.
2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like
entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advance to
do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and then typing `+++++' at the
console? If so, can you share the output of `bt', `ps', `ps/w' and
`show all tstiles'?
I was able to type at the console and see characters but there was no
response otherwise.
I tried ctrl-a-esc after it froze after typing rndctl -S seed2 and that did
nothing. I'm not familiar with the sysctl request.
3. Can you get a crash dump? (Can't remember if we support crash
dumps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)
/var/crash shows one file, minfree, containing the text "1024" and nothing
else.
4. Can you reset the machine -- hardware reset, rather than reboot or
power off and back on? If so, can you get dmesg from the previous
boot when this happens?
Yes I can always do a hardware reset.
dmesg from crash that resulted from rndctl -S seed2 is as follows:
netbsd$ dmesg
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002,
2003,
[ 1.000000] 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012,
2013,
[ 1.000000] 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022,
2023,
[ 1.000000] 2024
[ 1.000000] The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
[ 1.000000] The Regents of the University of California. All
rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] NetBSD 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024
[ 1.000000] mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:
/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC
[ 1.000000] total memory =3D 256 MB
[ 1.000000] avail memory =3D 234 MB
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
[ 1.000000] Kernelized RAIDframe activated
[ 1.000000] found heathrow PIC at 80800000
[ 1.000000] bootpath: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7,/netbsd
[ 1.000000] mainbus0 (root)
[ 1.000000] cpu0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision 2.2), ID 0 (primary)
[ 1.000000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT>,
powersave: 1
[ 1.000000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity 1MB WT L2 cache (PB SRAM) at
2:1 ratio
[ 1.000000] memory0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] grackle0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0
[ 1.000000] pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0
[ 1.000000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "Grackle" Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)
[ 1.000000] pchb0: L2 cache: 256K, uniprocessor/none mode
[ 1.000000] ppb0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0: Digital Equipment DC21154
PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x02)
[ 1.000000] pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
[ 1.000000] pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] Texas Instruments TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host Controller
(IEEE1394 serial bus, Firewire, revision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not
configured
[ 1.000000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0: CMD Technology PCI0646
(rev. 0x07)
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: bus-master DMA support present
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: primary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: using irq 26 for native-PCI interrupt
[ 1.000000] atabus0 at cmdide0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel ignored (disabled)
[ 1.000000] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function 0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C
SCSI adapter
[ 1.000000] ahc0: interrupting at irq 23
[ 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 3/253 S=
CBs
[ 1.000000] scsibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: addr 0x80800000
[ 1.000000] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: 50MHz, SCSI ID 7
[ 1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15,16
[ 1.000000] zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1
[ 1.000000] awacs0 at obio0 offset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9
[ 1.000000] awacs0: headphones
[ 1.000000] audio0 at awacs0: playback, capture, full duplex
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for playback
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for recording
[ 1.000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Speaker (synthesized)
[ 1.000000] wsbell at spkr0 not configured
[ 1.000000] fdc at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured
[ 1.000000] cuda0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18
[ 1.000000] nadb0 at cuda0: Apple Desktop Bus
[ 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus
[ 1.000000] wdc0 at obio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge triggered: DMA
transfer
[ 1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] bm0 at obio0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: address
00:50:e4:50:6b:76
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT970 10/100 media interface, rev. 1
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX,
auto
[ 1.000000] nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x60000
[ 1.000000] ohci0 at pci1 dev 6 function 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. 0x10)
[ 1.000000] ohci0: interrupting at irq 28
[ 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
[ 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
[ 1.000000] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: ATI Technologies Rage
128 GL PCI (rev. 0x00)
[ 1.000000] r128fb0: 64 MB aperture at 0x84000000
[ 1.000000] wsdisplay0 at r128fb0 kbdmux 1: console (default, vt100
emulation)
[ 1.000000] wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0
[ 1.000000] vmmask 7e7c0000 schedmask 7ffc0000 highmask 7ffc0000
[ 1.000000] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7)
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounter "mftb" frequency 25000000 Hz
quality 100
[ 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 100 Hz
quality 0
[ 1.000035] scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.000035] scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.019983] IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
[ 1.219974] uhub0 at usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x0000),
class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
[ 1.219974] uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
[ 2.799981] uhub1 at uhub0 port 1: NEC (0x0409) hub (0x55ab), class
9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2
[ 2.809985] uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
[ 3.719987] uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 3.719987] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 (0x0201), rev
1.00/1.01, addr 3, iclass 3/1
[ 3.729989] ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 Variable keys, 6 Array codes
[ 3.729989] wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
[ 4.229988] wd0 at atabus0 drive 0
[ 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJSA-220>
[ 4.239992] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA addressing
[ 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 cyl, 15 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x
23572080 sectors
[ 4.299994] wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
4 (Ultra/66)
[ 4.309992] wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
(Ultra/33) (using DMA)
[ 4.309992] atapibus0 at atabus1: 2 targets
[ 4.309992] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 4.309992] uhidev1: Microsoft (0x045e) MicrosoftM-BM-. Comfort Mouse
4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr 4, iclass 3/1
[ 4.309992] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, ,
TM00> cdrom removable
[ 4.309992] cd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
2 (Ultra/33)
[ 4.309992] cd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 (using DMA)
[ 4.329995] uhidev1: 28 report ids
[ 4.329995] ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs
[ 4.329995] wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
[ 4.329995] uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 18: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.329995] uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.329995] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=3D4, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.339992] uhid3 at uhidev1 reportid 23: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339992] uhid4 at uhidev1 reportid 24: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339992] uhid5 at uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 11.080013] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized
[ 11.130016] boot device: wd0
[ 11.130016] root on wd0a dumps on wd0b
[ 11.150015] root file system type: ffs
[ 11.150015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macppc/10.1/modules
[ 12.600043] entropy: best effort
[ 14.040044] entropy: ready
[ 75.380534] syncing disks... done
[ 75.390544] unmounting file systems...
[ 75.390544] unmounted ptyfs on /dev/pts type ptyfs
[ 75.620539] unmounted /dev/wd0a on / type ffs
[ 75.620539] unmounting done
[ 75.620539] turning off swap... done
[ 75.650538] rebooting
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002,
2003,
[ 1.000000] 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012,
2013,
[ 1.000000] 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022,
2023,
[ 1.000000] 2024
[ 1.000000] The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
[ 1.000000] The Regents of the University of California. All
rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] NetBSD 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024
[ 1.000000] mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:
/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC
[ 1.000000] total memory =3D 256 MB
[ 1.000000] avail memory =3D 234 MB
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
[ 1.000000] Kernelized RAIDframe activated
[ 1.000000] found heathrow PIC at 80800000
[ 1.000000] bootpath: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7,/netbsd
[ 1.000000] mainbus0 (root)
[ 1.000000] cpu0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision 2.2), ID 0 (primary)
[ 1.000000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT>,
powersave: 1
[ 1.000000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity 1MB WT L2 cache (PB SRAM) at
2:1 ratio
[ 1.000000] memory0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] grackle0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0
[ 1.000000] pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0
[ 1.000000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "Grackle" Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)
[ 1.000000] pchb0: L2 cache: 256K, uniprocessor/none mode
[ 1.000000] ppb0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0: Digital Equipment DC21154
PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x02)
[ 1.000000] pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
[ 1.000000] pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] Texas Instruments TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host Controller
(IEEE1394 serial bus, Firewire, revision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not
configured
[ 1.000000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0: CMD Technology PCI0646
(rev. 0x07)
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: bus-master DMA support present
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: primary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: using irq 26 for native-PCI interrupt
[ 1.000000] atabus0 at cmdide0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel ignored (disabled)
[ 1.000000] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function 0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C
SCSI adapter
[ 1.000000] ahc0: interrupting at irq 23
[ 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 3/253 S=
CBs
[ 1.000000] scsibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: addr 0x80800000
[ 1.000000] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: 50MHz, SCSI ID 7
[ 1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15,16
[ 1.000000] zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1
[ 1.000000] awacs0 at obio0 offset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9
[ 1.000000] awacs0: headphones
[ 1.000000] audio0 at awacs0: playback, capture, full duplex
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for playback
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for recording
[ 1.000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Speaker (synthesized)
[ 1.000000] wsbell at spkr0 not configured
[ 1.000000] fdc at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured
[ 1.000000] cuda0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18
[ 1.000000] nadb0 at cuda0: Apple Desktop Bus
[ 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus
[ 1.000000] wdc0 at obio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge triggered: DMA
transfer
[ 1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] bm0 at obio0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: address
00:50:e4:50:6b:76
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT970 10/100 media interface, rev. 1
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX,
auto
[ 1.000000] nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x60000
[ 1.000000] ohci0 at pci1 dev 6 function 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. 0x10)
[ 1.000000] ohci0: interrupting at irq 28
[ 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
[ 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
[ 1.000000] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: ATI Technologies Rage
128 GL PCI (rev. 0x00)
[ 1.000000] r128fb0: 64 MB aperture at 0x84000000
[ 1.000000] wsdisplay0 at r128fb0 kbdmux 1: console (default, vt100
emulation)
[ 1.000000] wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0
[ 1.000000] vmmask 7e7c0000 schedmask 7ffc0000 highmask 7ffc0000
[ 1.000000] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7)
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounter "mftb" frequency 25000000 Hz
quality 100
[ 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 100 Hz
quality 0
[ 1.000035] scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.000035] scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.019983] IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
[ 1.219974] uhub0 at usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x0000),
class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
[ 1.219974] uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
[ 2.799981] uhub1 at uhub0 port 1: NEC (0x0409) hub (0x55ab), class
9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2
[ 2.809985] uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
[ 3.719987] uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 3.719987] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 (0x0201), rev
1.00/1.01, addr 3, iclass 3/1
[ 3.729989] ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 Variable keys, 6 Array codes
[ 3.729989] wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
[ 4.229987] wd0 at atabus0 drive 0
[ 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJSA-220>
[ 4.239992] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA addressing
[ 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 cyl, 15 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x
23572080 sectors
[ 4.299994] wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
4 (Ultra/66)
[ 4.309991] wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
(Ultra/33) (using DMA)
[ 4.309991] atapibus0 at atabus1: 2 targets
[ 4.309991] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 4.309991] uhidev1: Microsoft (0x045e) MicrosoftM-BM-. Comfort Mouse
4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr 4, iclass 3/1
[ 4.319993] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, ,
TM00> cdrom removable
[ 4.319993] cd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
2 (Ultra/33)
[ 4.319993] cd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 (using DMA)
[ 4.329990] uhidev1: 28 report ids
[ 4.329990] ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs
[ 4.329990] wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
[ 4.329990] uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 18: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.329990] uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.329990] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=3D4, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.339991] uhid3 at uhidev1 reportid 23: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339991] uhid4 at uhidev1 reportid 24: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339991] uhid5 at uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 11.080013] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized
[ 11.130015] boot device: wd0
[ 11.130015] root on wd0a dumps on wd0b
[ 11.150015] root file system type: ffs
[ 11.150015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macppc/10.1/modules
[ 12.630028] entropy: best effort
[ 14.070044] entropy: ready
[ 18.910096] wsdisplay0: screen 1 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 18.910096] wsdisplay0: screen 2 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 18.920094] wsdisplay0: screen 3 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 18.930097] wsdisplay0: screen 4 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002,
2003,
[ 1.000000] 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012,
2013,
[ 1.000000] 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022,
2023,
[ 1.000000] 2024
[ 1.000000] The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
[ 1.000000] The Regents of the University of California. All
rights reserved.
[ 1.000000] NetBSD 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024
[ 1.000000] mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:
/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC
[ 1.000000] total memory =3D 256 MB
[ 1.000000] avail memory =3D 234 MB
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
[ 1.000000] Kernelized RAIDframe activated
[ 1.000000] found heathrow PIC at 80800000
[ 1.000000] bootpath: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7,/netbsd
[ 1.000000] mainbus0 (root)
[ 1.000000] cpu0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision 2.2), ID 0 (primary)
[ 1.000000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT>,
powersave: 1
[ 1.000000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity 1MB WT L2 cache (PB SRAM) at
2:1 ratio
[ 1.000000] memory0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] grackle0 at mainbus0
[ 1.000000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0
[ 1.000000] pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0
[ 1.000000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "Grackle" Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)
[ 1.000000] pchb0: L2 cache: 256K, uniprocessor/none mode
[ 1.000000] ppb0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0: Digital Equipment DC21154
PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x02)
[ 1.000000] pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
[ 1.000000] pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled
[ 1.000000] Texas Instruments TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host Controller
(IEEE1394 serial bus, Firewire, revision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not
configured
[ 1.000000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0: CMD Technology PCI0646
(rev. 0x07)
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: bus-master DMA support present
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: primary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: using irq 26 for native-PCI interrupt
[ 1.000000] atabus0 at cmdide0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel configured to native-PCI mode,
channel non-independent
[ 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel ignored (disabled)
[ 1.000000] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function 0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C
SCSI adapter
[ 1.000000] ahc0: interrupting at irq 23
[ 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 3/253 S=
CBs
[ 1.000000] scsibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: addr 0x80800000
[ 1.000000] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: 50MHz, SCSI ID 7
[ 1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target
[ 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15,16
[ 1.000000] zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1
[ 1.000000] awacs0 at obio0 offset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9
[ 1.000000] awacs0: headphones
[ 1.000000] audio0 at awacs0: playback, capture, full duplex
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for playback
[ 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms)
for recording
[ 1.000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Speaker (synthesized)
[ 1.000000] wsbell at spkr0 not configured
[ 1.000000] fdc at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured
[ 1.000000] cuda0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18
[ 1.000000] nadb0 at cuda0: Apple Desktop Bus
[ 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus
[ 1.000000] wdc0 at obio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge triggered: DMA
transfer
[ 1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0
[ 1.000000] bm0 at obio0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: address
00:50:e4:50:6b:76
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT970 10/100 media interface, rev. 1
[ 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX,
auto
[ 1.000000] nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x60000
[ 1.000000] ohci0 at pci1 dev 6 function 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. 0x10)
[ 1.000000] ohci0: interrupting at irq 28
[ 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
[ 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
[ 1.000000] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: ATI Technologies Rage
128 GL PCI (rev. 0x00)
[ 1.000000] r128fb0: 64 MB aperture at 0x84000000
[ 1.000000] wsdisplay0 at r128fb0 kbdmux 1: console (default, vt100
emulation)
[ 1.000000] wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0
[ 1.000000] vmmask 7e7c0000 schedmask 7ffc0000 highmask 7ffc0000
[ 1.000000] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7)
[ 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounter "mftb" frequency 25000000 Hz
quality 100
[ 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency 100 Hz
quality 0
[ 1.000035] scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.000035] scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
[ 1.019983] IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
[ 1.219974] uhub0 at usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x0000),
class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
[ 1.219974] uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
[ 2.799981] uhub1 at uhub0 port 1: NEC (0x0409) hub (0x55ab), class
9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2
[ 2.809985] uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered
[ 3.719987] uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 3.719987] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 (0x0201), rev
1.00/1.01, addr 3, iclass 3/1
[ 3.729989] ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 Variable keys, 6 Array codes
[ 3.729989] wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
[ 4.229988] wd0 at atabus0 drive 0
[ 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJSA-220>
[ 4.239992] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA addressing
[ 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 cyl, 15 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x
23572080 sectors
[ 4.299992] wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
4 (Ultra/66)
[ 4.309994] wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
(Ultra/33) (using DMA)
[ 4.309994] atapibus0 at atabus1: 2 targets
[ 4.309994] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0
[ 4.309994] uhidev1: Microsoft (0x045e) MicrosoftM-BM-. Comfort Mouse
4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr 4, iclass 3/1
[ 4.309994] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, ,
TM00> cdrom removable
[ 4.309994] cd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode
2 (Ultra/33)
[ 4.309994] cd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 (using DMA)
[ 4.329996] uhidev1: 28 report ids
[ 4.329996] ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs
[ 4.329996] wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0
[ 4.329996] uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 18: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.329996] uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.329996] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=3D4, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 4.339991] uhid3 at uhidev1 reportid 23: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339991] uhid4 at uhidev1 reportid 24: input=3D0, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D1
[ 4.339991] uhid5 at uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0, featur=
e=3D0
[ 11.090017] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized
[ 11.110014] boot device: wd0
[ 11.110014] root on wd0a dumps on wd0b
[ 11.130015] root file system type: ffs
[ 11.130015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macppc/10.1/modules
[ 12.600032] entropy: best effort
[ 40.780234] entropy: ready
[ 55.610320] wsdisplay0: screen 1 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 55.620325] wsdisplay0: screen 2 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 55.630326] wsdisplay0: screen 3 added (default, vt100 emulation)
[ 55.640325] wsdisplay0: screen 4 added (default, vt100 emulation)
netbsd$
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbs=
d.org>
wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: capa150@gmail.com
> >
> > That section among other things calls rndctl, which I had noticed
> > earlier caused my Mac to freeze when I issued a rndctl command via
> > the command line.
>
> 1. What rndctl invocation causes this? Can you share the output of
> `rndctl -l' (as root), if it doesn't freeze?
>
> 2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like
> entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advance to
> do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and then typing `+++++' at the
> console? If so, can you share the output of `bt', `ps', `ps/w' and
> `show all tstiles'?
>
> 3. Can you get a crash dump? (Can't remember if we support crash
> dumps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)
>
> 4. Can you reset the machine -- hardware reset, rather than reboot or
> power off and back on? If so, can you get dmesg from the previous
> boot when this happens?
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>1. What rndctl invocation causes this?=C2=A0 Can you =
share the output of<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0`rndctl -l' (as root), if it doesn&=
#39;t freeze?<br></div><div><br></div>I believe the freeze was using rndctl=
-L seed or rndctl -S seed. I just tried a series (10x) of rndctl -L seed c=
ommands using a seed generated saved from another machine and that worked f=
ine.<div><br></div><div>Then I tried rndctl -S seed2 one time and the machi=
ne froze both at the console and also on an ssh session connecting to the M=
ac from another machine.<br><div><br></div></div><div>2. Can you interact w=
ith it in any way when this happens, like<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0entering ddb -- e=
ither with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advance to<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0do `sysct=
l -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and then typing `+++++' at the=
<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0console?=C2=A0 If so, can you share the output of `bt'=
, `ps', `ps/w' and<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0`show all tstiles'?<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>I was able to type at the console and see characters b=
ut there was no response otherwise.</div><div>I tried ctrl-a-esc after it f=
roze after typing=C2=A0rndctl -S seed2 and that did nothing. I'm not fa=
miliar with the sysctl request.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Can you get a c=
rash dump?=C2=A0 (Can't remember if we support crash<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0du=
mps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>/var/cra=
sh shows one file, minfree, containing the text "1024" and nothin=
g else.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Can you reset the machine -- hardware r=
eset, rather than reboot or<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0power off and back on?=C2=A0 If=
so, can you get dmesg from the previous<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0boot when this hap=
pens?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes I can always do a hardware reset.</d=
iv><div>dmesg from crash that resulted from rndctl -S seed2 is as follows:<=
/div><div><br></div><div>netbsd$ dmesg<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Copyrig=
ht (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1=
.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012=
, 2013,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, =
2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The NetBSD Foundation, =
Inc.=C2=A0 All rights reserved.<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Copyright (c) =
1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The=
Regents of the University of California.=C2=A0 All rights reserved.<br><br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] NetBSD 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UT=
C 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sy=
s/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] total memory =3D=
256 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] avail memory =3D 234 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Kernelized RAIDframe activated<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] found heathrow PIC at 80800000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] bootpath:=
/pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7,/netbsd<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ma=
inbus0 (root)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cpu0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision =
2.2), ID 0 (primary)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<=
EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT>, powersave: 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity 1MB WT L2 cache (PB SRAM) at 2:1 ratio<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] memory0 at mainbus0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000]=
grackle0 at mainbus0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0<b=
r>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci0: i/o space, memory space enabled<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "Grackle" Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0: L2 cache: 256K, uniprocessor/none mode<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ppb0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0: Digital Equipmen=
t DC21154 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x02)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci1 at p=
pb0 bus 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci1: i/o space, memory space enable=
d<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Texas Instruments TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host C=
ontroller (IEEE1394 serial bus, Firewire, revision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 func=
tion 0 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 fu=
nction 0: CMD Technology PCI0646 (rev. 0x07)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] c=
mdide0: bus-master DMA support present<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0=
: primary channel configured to native-PCI mode, channel non-independent<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: using irq 26 for native-PCI interrupt<b=
r>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] atabus0 at cmdide0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel configured to native-PCI mode, channe=
l non-independent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel i=
gnored (disabled)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function =
0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C SCSI adapter<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] a=
hc0: interrupting at irq 23<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ult=
ra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 3/253 SCBs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] s=
csibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =
obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: addr 0x80800000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000=
] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: 50MHz, SCSI ID 7<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 targets, 8 luns per target<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15,16<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zstty0 a=
t zsc0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1<br>[=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0 at obio0 offset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0: headphones<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] aud=
io0 at awacs0: playback, capture, full duplex<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =
audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms) for playback<br>=
[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes=
(23.2ms) for recording<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Sp=
eaker (synthesized)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsbell at spkr0 not config=
ured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] fdc at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configure=
d<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cuda0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] nadb0 at cuda0: Apple Desktop Bus<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wdc0 at o=
bio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge triggered: DMA transfer<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] bm0 at ob=
io0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: address 00:50:e4:50:6b:76<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT970 10/100 media interface, rev. 1<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX=
-FDX, auto<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x60000<br>[=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0 at pci1 dev 6 function 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. =
0x10)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0: interrupting at irq 28<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00000=
0] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: ATI Technologies Rage 128 GL PCI (rev=
. 0x00)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] r128fb0: 64 MB aperture at 0x84000000<=
br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsdisplay0 at r128fb0 kbdmux 1: console (defau=
lt, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsmux1: connecting to wsd=
isplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] vmmask 7e7c0000 schedmask 7ffc0000 hig=
hmask 7ffc0000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] WARNING: system needs entropy f=
or security; see entropy(7)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] timecounter: Timec=
ounter "mftb" frequency 25000000 Hz quality 100<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter "clockinterrupt" frequency=
100 Hz quality 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds =
for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] scsibus1: waiting 2 s=
econds for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.019983] IPsec: Initial=
ized Security Association Processing.<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.219974] uhub0 at=
usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x0000), class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, ad=
dr 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.219974] uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self pow=
ered<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.799981] uhub1 at uhub0 port 1: NEC (0x0409) hub (=
0x55ab), class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.809985] uhub=
1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.719987] uhid=
ev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.719987=
] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 (0x0201), rev 1.00/1.01, addr 3, ic=
lass 3/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989] ukbd0 at uhidev0: 8 Variable keys, 6 =
Array codes<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989] wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard,=
using wsdisplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.229988] wd0 at atabus0 drive 0<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJSA-220><br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.2399=
92] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA addressing<br>[ =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 cyl, 15 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect=
x 23572080 sectors<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.299994] wd0: drive supports PIO mo=
de 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 (Ultra/66)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309992] =
wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33) (using DMA)=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309992] atapibus0 at atabus1: 2 targets<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 4.309992] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309992] uhidev1: Microsoft (0x045e) MicrosoftM-BM-. Comfort=
Mouse 4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr 4, iclass 3/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
4.309992] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, , TM00>=
; cdrom removable<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309992] cd0: drive supports PIO mode=
4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309992] cd=
0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 (using DMA)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.=
329995] uhidev1: 28 report ids<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329995] ums0 at uhidev1=
reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329995] wsmouse0=
at ums0 mux 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329995] uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 18: i=
nput=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329995] uhid1 at uhi=
dev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, feature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.3=
29995] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=3D4, output=3D0, feature=3D0<br>=
[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339992] uhid3 at uhidev1 reportid 23: input=3D0, output=
=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339992] uhid4 at uhidev1 reportid 24=
: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339992] uhid5 at =
uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0, feature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A01=
1.080013] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.13001=
6] boot device: wd0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.130016] root on wd0a dumps on wd0b=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.150015] root file system type: ffs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
11.150015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macppc/10.1/modules<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
12.600043] entropy: best effort<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A014.040044] entropy: ready=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.380534] syncing disks... done<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.39=
0544] unmounting file systems...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.390544] unmounted pty=
fs on /dev/pts type ptyfs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.620539] unmounted /dev/wd0a =
on / type ffs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.620539] unmounting done<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A075.620539] turning off swap... done<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A075.650538] rebooti=
ng<br><br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2=
000, 2001, 2002, 2003,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2004, 200=
5, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000=
000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 20=
23,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The NetBSD Foundation, Inc.=C2=A0 All rights reserved.<=
br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993<br>=
[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Regents of the University of Ca=
lifornia.=C2=A0 All rights reserved.<br><br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] NetBS=
D 10.1 (GENERIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0000=
00] mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] total memory =3D 256 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000=
000] avail memory =3D 234 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] timecounter: Time=
counters tick every 10.000 msec<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Kernelized RAI=
Dframe activated<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] found heathrow PIC at 8080000=
0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] bootpath: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7=
,/netbsd<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mainbus0 (root)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.=
000000] cpu0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision 2.2), ID 0 (primary)<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT=
>, powersave: 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity=
1MB WT L2 cache (PB SRAM) at 2:1 ratio<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] memory=
0 at mainbus0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] grackle0 at mainbus0<br>[ =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 1.000000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci0:=
i/o space, memory space enabled<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0=
dev 0 function 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "=
;Grackle" Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0: =
L2 cache: 256K, uniprocessor/none mode<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ppb0 at=
pci0 dev 13 function 0: Digital Equipment DC21154 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x0=
2)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci1 at ppb0 bus 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000=
000] pci1: i/o space, memory space enabled<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Tex=
as Instruments TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host Controller (IEEE1394 serial bus, Fi=
rewire, revision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0: CMD Technology PCI0646 (=
rev. 0x07)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: bus-master DMA support pre=
sent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: primary channel configured to na=
tive-PCI mode, channel non-independent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0=
: using irq 26 for native-PCI interrupt<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] atabus=
0 at cmdide0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary chan=
nel configured to native-PCI mode, channel non-independent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel ignored (disabled)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function 0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C S=
CSI adapter<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ahc0: interrupting at irq 23<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7,=
3/253 SCBs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] scsibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 lun=
s per target<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: a=
ddr 0x80800000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 i=
rq 12: 50MHz, SCSI ID 7<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 t=
argets, 8 luns per target<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15=
,16<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0 =
at obio0 offset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0: he=
adphones<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0 at awacs0: playback, capture, =
full duplex<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz,=
blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms) for playback<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0: =
slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms) for recording<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Speaker (synthesized)<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] wsbell at spkr0 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000=
] fdc at obio0 offset 0x15000 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] c=
uda0 at obio0 offset 0x16000 irq 18<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] nadb0 at c=
uda0: Apple Desktop Bus<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wdc0 at obio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge tri=
ggered: DMA transfer<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] bm0 at obio0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: addres=
s 00:50:e4:50:6b:76<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT9=
70 10/100 media interface, rev. 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10b=
aseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0000=
00] nvram0 at obio0 offset 0x60000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0 at pc=
i1 dev 6 function 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. 0x10)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] o=
hci0: interrupting at irq 28<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI versi=
on 1.0, legacy support<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revi=
sion 1.0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: AT=
I Technologies Rage 128 GL PCI (rev. 0x00)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] r12=
8fb0: 64 MB aperture at 0x84000000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsdisplay0 =
at r128fb0 kbdmux 1: console (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
1.000000] wsmux1: connecting to wsdisplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] vmm=
ask 7e7c0000 schedmask 7ffc0000 highmask 7ffc0000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0000=
00] WARNING: system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7)<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounter "mftb" frequency 250000=
00 Hz quality 100<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter &qu=
ot;clockinterrupt" frequency 100 Hz quality 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000=
035] scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000035] scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.019983] IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.219974] uhub0 at usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x=
0000), class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.219974] uhub0:=
2 ports with 2 removable, self powered<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.799981] uhub1 =
at uhub0 port 1: NEC (0x0409) hub (0x55ab), class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr =
2<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.809985] uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powere=
d<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.719987] uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 inte=
rface 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.719987] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 =
(0x0201), rev 1.00/1.01, addr 3, iclass 3/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989] uk=
bd0 at uhidev0: 8 Variable keys, 6 Array codes<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989]=
wskbd0 at ukbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.2=
29987] wd0 at atabus0 drive 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJS=
A-220><br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO tr=
ansfers, LBA addressing<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 c=
yl, 15 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 23572080 sectors<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4=
.299994] wd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 (Ultr=
a/66)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309991] wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultr=
a-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33) (using DMA)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309991] atapibus0 =
at atabus1: 2 targets<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309991] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 =
configuration 1 interface 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309991] uhidev1: Microsoft=
(0x045e) MicrosoftM-BM-. Comfort Mouse 4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr =
4, iclass 3/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.319993] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TO=
SHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1912, , TM00> cdrom removable<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.319=
993] cd0: drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33=
)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.319993] cd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 =
(using DMA)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329990] uhidev1: 28 report ids<br>[ =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 4.329990] ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs<br>[=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329990] wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329990=
] uhid0 at uhidev1 reportid 18: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 4.329990] uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, f=
eature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329990] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=
=3D4, output=3D0, feature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339991] uhid3 at uhidev1=
reportid 23: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.33999=
1] uhid4 at uhidev1 reportid 24: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339991] uhid5 at uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0=
, feature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.080013] swwdog0: software watchdog initi=
alized<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.130015] boot device: wd0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.1=
30015] root on wd0a dumps on wd0b<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.150015] root file sy=
stem type: ffs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.150015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macpp=
c/10.1/modules<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A012.630028] entropy: best effort<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A014.070044] entropy: ready<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A018.910096] wsdisplay0=
: screen 1 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A018.910096] ws=
display0: screen 2 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A018.92=
0094] wsdisplay0: screen 3 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A018.930097] wsdisplay0: screen 4 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2=
002, 2003,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2004, 2005, 2006, 200=
7, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013,<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023,<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 The NetBSD Foundation, Inc.=C2=A0 All rights reserved.<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Regents of the University of California.=C2=
=A0 All rights reserved.<br><br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] NetBSD 10.1 (GENE=
RIC) #0: Mon Dec 16 13:08:11 UTC 2024<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mkrepro=
@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] total memory =3D 256 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] avail=
memory =3D 234 MB<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] timecounter: Timecounters t=
ick every 10.000 msec<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Kernelized RAIDframe act=
ivated<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] found heathrow PIC at 80800000<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] bootpath: /pci/@d/pci-ata@1/ata-4@0/disk@0:7,/netbsd<b=
r>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mainbus0 (root)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cp=
u0 at mainbus0: 750 (Revision 2.2), ID 0 (primary)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000=
000] cpu0: HID0 0x8050c0a4<EMCP,NAP,DPM,ICE,DCE,SGE,BTIC,BHT>, powers=
ave: 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cpu0: 400.00 MHz, no-parity 1MB WT L2 c=
ache (PB SRAM) at 2:1 ratio<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] memory0 at mainbus=
0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] grackle0 at mainbus0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] pci0 at grackle0 bus 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci0: i/o space, =
memory space enabled<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 funct=
ion 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0: Motorola MPC106 "Grackle&quo=
t; Host Bridge (rev. 0x40)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pchb0: L2 cache: 25=
6K, uniprocessor/none mode<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ppb0 at pci0 dev 13=
function 0: Digital Equipment DC21154 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev. 0x02)<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci1 at ppb0 bus 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] pci1: =
i/o space, memory space enabled<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] Texas Instrume=
nts TSB12LV21 IEEE 1394 Host Controller (IEEE1394 serial bus, Firewire, rev=
ision 0x02) at pci1 dev 0 function 0 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00=
0000] cmdide0 at pci1 dev 1 function 0: CMD Technology PCI0646 (rev. 0x07)<=
br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: bus-master DMA support present<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: primary channel configured to native-PCI m=
ode, channel non-independent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: using ir=
q 26 for native-PCI interrupt<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] atabus0 at cmdid=
e0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cmdide0: secondary channel config=
ured to native-PCI mode, channel non-independent<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00000=
0] cmdide0: secondary channel ignored (disabled)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00000=
0] ahc0 at pci1 dev 2 function 0: Adaptec 2902/04/10/15/20/30C SCSI adapter=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ahc0: interrupting at irq 23<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.000000] ahc0: aic7850: Ultra Single Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 3/253 SCB=
s<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] scsibus0 at ahc0: 8 targets, 8 luns per targ=
et<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] obio0 at pci1 dev 5 function 0: addr 0x8080=
0000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] mesh0 at obio0 offset 0x10000 irq 12: 50M=
Hz, SCSI ID 7<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] scsibus1 at mesh0: 8 targets, 8 =
luns per target<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zsc0 at obio0 irq 15,16<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.00000=
0] zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0 at obio0 of=
fset 0x14000: irq 17,8,9<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] awacs0: headphones<br=
>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0 at awacs0: playback, capture, full duplex=
<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 b=
ytes (23.2ms) for playback<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] audio0: slinear_be:=
16 2ch 44100Hz, blk 4096 bytes (23.2ms) for recording<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.=
000000] spkr0 at audio0: PC Speaker (synthesized)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0000=
00] wsbell at spkr0 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] fdc at obio=
0 offset 0x15000 not configured<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] cuda0 at obio0=
offset 0x16000 irq 18<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] nadb0 at cuda0: Apple D=
esktop Bus<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] iic0 at cuda0: I2C bus<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] wdc0 at obio0 offset 0x20000 irq 13, edge triggered: DMA t=
ransfer<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] atabus1 at wdc0 channel 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 1.000000] bm0 at obio0 offset 0x11000 irq 42,33: address 00:50:e4:50=
:6b:76<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] lxtphy0 at bm0 phy 0: LXT970 10/100 med=
ia interface, rev. 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] lxtphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT=
-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] nvram0 at=
obio0 offset 0x60000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0 at pci1 dev 6 func=
tion 0: Opti 82C861 (rev. 0x10)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0: interru=
pting at irq 28<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] ohci0: OHCI version 1.0, legac=
y support<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0<br>[=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] r128fb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0: ATI Technologie=
s Rage 128 GL PCI (rev. 0x00)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] r128fb0: 64 MB a=
perture at 0x84000000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsdisplay0 at r128fb0 kb=
dmux 1: console (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] wsm=
ux1: connecting to wsdisplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] vmmask 7e7c0000 =
schedmask 7ffc0000 highmask 7ffc0000<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000000] WARNING: =
system needs entropy for security; see entropy(7)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.0000=
00] timecounter: Timecounter "mftb" frequency 25000000 Hz quality=
100<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] timecounter: Timecounter "clockinter=
rupt" frequency 100 Hz quality 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] scsibus0=
: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.000035] s=
csibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.01=
9983] IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 1.219974] uhub0 at usb0: NetBSD (0x0000) OHCI root hub (0x0000), class =
9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1.219974] uhub0: 2 ports with=
2 removable, self powered<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2.799981] uhub1 at uhub0 port=
1: NEC (0x0409) hub (0x55ab), class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2<br>[ =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 2.809985] uhub1: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered<br>[ =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 3.719987] uhidev0 at uhub1 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.719987] uhidev0: Alps Electric (0x05ac) M2452 (0x0201), rev=
1.00/1.01, addr 3, iclass 3/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989] ukbd0 at uhidev=
0: 8 Variable keys, 6 Array codes<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3.729989] wskbd0 at uk=
bd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.229988] wd0 at=
atabus0 drive 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: <IBM-DJSA-220><br>=
[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: drive supports 16-sector PIO transfers, LBA =
addressing<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.239992] wd0: 11509 MB, 24944 cyl, 15 head, =
63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 23572080 sectors<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.299992] wd0:=
drive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 4 (Ultra/66)<br>[ =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] wd0(cmdide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode =
2 (Ultra/33) (using DMA)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] atapibus0 at atabus1:=
2 targets<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] uhidev1 at uhub1 port 2 configurati=
on 1 interface 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] uhidev1: Microsoft (0x045e) M=
icrosoftM-BM-. Comfort Mouse 4500 (0x076c), rev 2.00/0.83, addr 4, iclass 3=
/1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] cd0 at atapibus0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA DVD-R=
OM SD-M1912, , TM00> cdrom removable<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] cd0: d=
rive supports PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2, Ultra-DMA mode 2 (Ultra/33)<br>[ =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 4.309994] cd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2 (using DMA=
)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329996] uhidev1: 28 report ids<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.=
329996] ums0 at uhidev1 reportid 16: 5 buttons, W and Z dirs<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 4.329996] wsmouse0 at ums0 mux 0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329996] uhid0 =
at uhidev1 reportid 18: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 4.329996] uhid1 at uhidev1 reportid 19: input=3D1, output=3D0, feature=
=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.329996] uhid2 at uhidev1 reportid 22: input=3D4, =
output=3D0, feature=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339991] uhid3 at uhidev1 repor=
tid 23: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.339991] uhi=
d4 at uhidev1 reportid 24: input=3D0, output=3D0, feature=3D1<br>[ =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 4.339991] uhid5 at uhidev1 reportid 28: input=3D1, output=3D0, featu=
re=3D0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.090017] swwdog0: software watchdog initialized<=
br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.110014] boot device: wd0<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.110014] =
root on wd0a dumps on wd0b<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.130015] root file system ty=
pe: ffs<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A011.130015] kern.module.path=3D/stand/macppc/10.1/=
modules<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A012.600032] entropy: best effort<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=
=A040.780234] entropy: ready<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A055.610320] wsdisplay0: scree=
n 1 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A055.620325] wsdisplay=
0: screen 2 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A055.630326] w=
sdisplay0: screen 3 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>[ =C2=A0 =C2=A055.6=
40325] wsdisplay0: screen 4 added (default, vt100 emulation)<br>netbsd$=C2=
=A0<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote=
_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 1=
2:05=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:riastradh@netbsd.or=
g">riastradh@netbsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-=
style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Date:=
Mon, 20 Jan 2025 18:58:34 +0000 (UTC)<br>
> From: <a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">capa150@g=
mail.com</a><br>
> <br>
> That section among other things calls rndctl, which I had noticed<br>
> earlier caused my Mac to freeze when I issued a rndctl command via<br>
> the command line.<br>
<br>
1. What rndctl invocation causes this?=C2=A0 Can you share the output of<br=
>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0`rndctl -l' (as root), if it doesn't freeze?<br>
<br>
2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advanc=
e to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and then typ=
ing `+++++' at the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0console?=C2=A0 If so, can you share the output of `bt', `p=
s', `ps/w' and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0`show all tstiles'?<br>
<br>
3. Can you get a crash dump?=C2=A0 (Can't remember if we support crash<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0dumps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)<br>
<br>
4. Can you reset the machine -- hardware reset, rather than reboot or<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0power off and back on?=C2=A0 If so, can you get dmesg from the=
previous<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0boot when this happens?<br>
</blockquote></div>
--0000000000007a7269062c29051b--
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd.org>, gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:50:18 -0800
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Perhaps I am doing this wrong?
netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"
hw.cnmagic: -> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b
netbsd# +++++
sh: +++++: not found
netbsd#
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 12:45=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbs=
d.org>
wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:33:41 -0800
> > From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
> >
> > 2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like
> > entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in advance to
> > do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and then typing `+++++' at the
> > console? If so, can you share the output of `bt', `ps', `ps/w' and
> > `show all tstiles'?
> >
> > netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"
> > hw.magic: -> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b
>
> Can you try just typing `+++++' after you've done this, to verify it
> works at all? That is, without any rndctl involved. (If it doesn't,
> we should find another way to reliably enter ddb!)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>Perhaps I am doing this wrong?<=
div><br></div><div>netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"<br>hw.c=
nmagic: =C2=A0-> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b<br>netbsd# +++++<br>sh: +++++: not=
found<br>netbsd#</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0<br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Ja=
n 20, 2025 at 12:45=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:rias=
tradh@netbsd.org">riastradh@netbsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1=
px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex">> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:33:41 -0800<br>
> From: Chris Tucker <<a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">capa150@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> 2. Can you interact with it in any way when this happens, like<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 entering ddb -- either with C-A-ESC, or by arranging in a=
dvance to<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 do `sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"' and the=
n typing `+++++' at the<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 console?=C2=A0 If so, can you share the output of `bt'=
;, `ps', `ps/w' and<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 `show all tstiles'?<br>
> <br>
> netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"<br>
> hw.magic:=C2=A0 -> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b<br>
<br>
Can you try just typing `+++++' after you've done this, to verify i=
t<br>
works at all?=C2=A0 That is, without any rndctl involved.=C2=A0 (If it does=
n't,<br>
we should find another way to reliably enter ddb!)<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div>
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From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd.org>, gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:17:32 -0800
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netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1
debug.crashme_enable: 0 -> 1
netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1
[ 175.2812692] crashme_sysctl_forwarder:201: invoking "ddb" (ender ddb
directly)
Stopped in pid 2126.2126 (sysctl) at netbsd:crashme_ddb+0x10: 1wz
ro, 0x14(r1)
db>
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 1:09=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd=
.org>
wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:50:18 -0800
> > From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
> >
> > Perhaps I am doing this wrong?
> >
> > netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"
> > hw.cnmagic: -> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b
> > netbsd# +++++
> > sh: +++++: not found
> > netbsd#
>
> Can you try with this, to make sure ddb works at all?
>
> sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1
> sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1
>
> (You can type `continue' at the ddb prompt when done, if it works.)
>
> If that works, then we have to figure out what's wrong with the
> cnmagic trigger. If that doesn't work, then we have to figure out
> what's wrong with ddb.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1<br>debug.crashm=
e_enable: 0 -> 1<br>netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1<br><div>[ 17=
5.2812692] crashme_sysctl_forwarder:201: invoking "ddb" (ender dd=
b directly)</div><div>Stopped in pid 2126.2126 (sysctl) at =C2=A0netbsd:cra=
shme_ddb+0x10: =C2=A0 =C2=A01wz</div><div>ro, 0x14(r1)</div><div>db>=C2=
=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 1:09=E2=80=AFPM Tayl=
or R Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:riastradh@netbsd.org">riastradh@netbsd.=
org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-l=
eft-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12=
:50:18 -0800<br>
> From: Chris Tucker <<a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">capa150@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> Perhaps I am doing this wrong?<br>
> <br>
> netbsd# sysctl -w hw.cnmagic=3D"+++++"<br>
> hw.cnmagic:=C2=A0 -> \x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b\x2b<br>
> netbsd# +++++<br>
> sh: +++++: not found<br>
> netbsd#<br>
<br>
Can you try with this, to make sure ddb works at all?<br>
<br>
sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1<br>
sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1<br>
<br>
(You can type `continue' at the ddb prompt when done, if it works.)<br>
<br>
If that works, then we have to figure out what's wrong with the<br>
cnmagic trigger.=C2=A0 If that doesn't work, then we have to figure out=
<br>
what's wrong with ddb.<br>
</blockquote></div>
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From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@NetBSD.org>
Cc: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>, gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org,
netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 07:41:40 +0100
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 08:05:04PM +0000, Taylor R Campbell wrote:
> 3. Can you get a crash dump? (Can't remember if we support crash
> dumps on powerpc -- if not, we should.)
I don't think ppc crash dumps work.
Martin
From: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@NetBSD.org>
To: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
Cc: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 07:54:39 +0000
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:22:26 -0800
> From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
>
> I was able to type at the console and see characters but there was no
> response otherwise.
Huh, so the console is responsive and echoing input, which suggests
it's still in userland. Can you type ^T when this happens? What does
it say when you do that?
Can you run rndctl in the background, and either start up crash(8)
(userland version of ddb that can examine a live kernel, doesn't crash
your system) or enter ddb with `sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=1' and
`sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=1'?
If so, at the crash or ddb prompt, can you get the output of these
commands?
ps
ps/w
show all tstiles
bt/t 0t$PID where $PID is the pid in decimal of rndctl
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd.org>, gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:25:31 -0800
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:55=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbs=
d.org>
wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:22:26 -0800
> > From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
> >
> > I was able to type at the console and see characters but there was no
> > response otherwise.
>
> Huh, so the console is responsive and echoing input, which suggests
> it's still in userland. Can you type ^T when this happens? What does
> it say when you do that?
>
netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
[ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k
> Can you run rndctl in the background, and either start up crash(8)
> (userland version of ddb that can examine a live kernel, doesn't crash
> your system) or enter ddb with `sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1' and
> `sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1'?
>
> If so, at the crash or ddb prompt, can you get the output of these
> commands?
>
> ps
> ps/w
> show all tstiles
> bt/t 0t$PID where $PID is the pid in decimal of rndctl
>
NOTE: photographs of my display to verify my typing:
https://i.ibb.co/7vnbHvL/pr59014.jpg
netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 & (couldn't' tell you if this command froze or not)
netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1
debug.crashme_enable: 0 -> 1
netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1
[ 206.2935173] crashme_sysctl_forwarder:201: invoking "ddb" (enter ddb
directly)
Stopped in pid 3603.3603 (sysctl) at netbsd: crashme_ddb+0x10: lwz
r0, 0x14(r1)
db> ps
PID LID S CPU FLAGS STRUCT LWP * NAME WAIT
3603 > 3603 7 0 0 ef43940 sysctl
3288 3288 3 0 0 e2d5680 rndctl biowait
3018 3018 3 0 180 f1fbd00 sh wait
4027 4027 3 0 180 e2d5080 sh wait
3170 3170 3 0 180 ef43c40 sshd poll
3936 3936 3 0 180 fb3a380 sshd poll
2207 2207 3 0 180 fb3a080 sh ttyraw
1486 1486 3 0 180 f1fb400 getty ttyraw
2100 2100 3 0 180 f10940 getty ttyraw
1730 1730 3 0 180 f10c40 getty ttyraw
1323 1323 3 0 180 ffa700 getty ttyraw
2465 2465 3 0 180 f1fb100 login wait
1590 1590 3 0 180 ef43040 cron nanoslp
1366 1366 3 0 180 ef43640 inetd kqueue
1609 1609 3 0 180 fafb700 qmgr kqueue
2077 2077 3 0 180 fb3a980 pickup kqueue
2211 2211 3 0 180 e2d5380 master kqueue
848 848 3 0 180 f1fba00 sshd poll
440 440 3 0 180 fb3a680 powerd kqueue
429 429 3 0 0 fd79cc0 makemandb biowait
1116 1116 3 0 180 fd799c0 syslogd kqueue
570 570 3 0 180 fd796c0 dhcpcd poll
560 560 3 0 180 fd793c0 dhcpcd poll
572 572 3 0 180 fb3ac80 dhcpcd poll
501 501 3 0 180 fd790c0 dhcpcd poll
1 1 3 0 180 f74700 init wait
0 177 3 0 200 f9b080 physiod physiod
0 120 3 0 200 f10640 pooldrain pooldrain
0 119 3 0 200 f10340 ioflush syncer
0 118 3 0 200 f10040 pgdaemon pgdaemon
0 115 3 0 200 ffad00 swwreboot swwreboot
0 114 3 0 200 f74d00 atapibus0 sccomp
0 111 3 0 200 f9b380 npfgc0 npfgcw
0 110 3 0 200 f74a00 usb0 usbevt
0 109 3 0 200 f74400 rt_free rt_free
0 108 3 0 200 f74100 unpgc unpgc
0 107 3 0 200 f94cc0 key_timehandler key_timehandler
0 106 3 0 200 f949c0 icmp6_wqinput/0 icmp6_wqinput
0 105 3 0 200 f946c0 nd6_timer nd6_timer
0 104 3 0 200 f943c0 carp6_wqinput/0 carp6_wqinput
0 103 3 0 200 f9bc80 carp_wqinput/0 carp_wqinput
0 102 3 0 200 f9b980 icmp_wqinput/0 icmp_wqinput
0 101 3 0 200 f9b680 rt_timer rt_timer
0 100 3 0 200 f940c0 vmem_rehash vmem_rehash
0 26 3 0 200 fdcc40 entbutler entropy
0 25 3 0 200 fdc940 usbtask-dr usbtsk
0 24 3 0 200 fdc640 usbtask-hc usbtsk
0 23 3 0 200 fdc340 atabus1 atath
0 22 3 0 200 fdc040 awacs awacs_wait
0 20 3 0 200 ffaa00 scsibus1 sccomp
0 18 3 0 200 ffa400 scsibus0 sccomp
0 17 3 0 240 ffa100 atabus0 atath
0 16 3 0 200 b1cc0 sysmon smtaskq
0 15 3 0 200 b19c0 pmfsuspend pmfsuspend
0 14 3 0 200 b16c0 pmfevent pmfevent
0 13 3 0 200 b13c0 sopendfree sopendfr
0 12 3 0 200 b10c0 ifwdog ifwdog
0 11 3 0 200 ffc80 iflnkst iflnkst
0 10 3 0 200 ff980 nfssilly nfssilly
0 9 3 0 200 ff680 vdrain vdrain
0 8 3 0 200 ff380 modunload mod_unld
0 7 3 0 200 ff080 xcall/0 xcall
0 6 1 0 200 d69c40 softser/0
0 5 1 0 40200 d69940 softclk/0
0 4 1 0 200 d69640 softbio/0
0 3 1 0 40200 d69340 softnet/0
0 2 1 0 201 d69040 idle/0
0 0 3 0 200 c3df80 swapper uvm
db> ps/w
PID LID COMMAND EMUL PRI WAIT-MSG WAIT-CHANNEL
3603 > 3603 sysctl netbsd 43 0
3288 3288 rndctl netbsd 43 biowait c88a694
3018 3018 sh netbsd 43 wait f3f9044
4027 4207 sh netbsd 41 wait e2d704c
3170 3170 sshd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
3936 3936 sshd netbsd 37 poll dd7400
2207 2207 sh netbsd 42 ttyraw f3c428
1486 1486 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw fec028
2100 2100 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw fae828
1730 1730 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw faea28
1323 1323 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw faec28
2465 2465 login netbsd 42 wait f68f53c
1590 1590 cron netbsd 43 nanoslp ef43040
1366 1366 inetd netbsd 39 kqueue d056d80
1609 1609 qmgr netbsd 41 kqueue f5e7740
2077 2077 pickup netbsd 43 kqueue f5e7f40
2211 2211 master netbsd 43 kqueue e642700
848 848 sshd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
440 440 powerd netbsd 42 kqueue fdf0980
429 429 makemandb netbsd 26 biowait ae5f744
1116 1116 syslogd netbsd 43 kqueue f8bfe80
570 570 dhcpcd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
560 560 dhcpcd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
572 572 dhcpcd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
501 501 dhcpcd netbsd 43 poll dd7400
1 1 init netbsd 43 wait f6e02c
0 177 system netbsd 123 physiod f8bf2f4
0 120 system netbsd 125 pooldrain c6e1fc
0 119 system netbsd 124 syncer f10340
0 118 system netbsd 126 pgdaemon c6d570
0 115 system netbsd 43 swwreboot f51df4
0 114 system netbsd 96 sccomp ff099c
0 111 system netbsd 96 npfgcw fc9bcc
0 110 system netbsd 96 usbevt fc7244
0 109 system netbsd 222 rt_free fc1bf4
0 108 system netbsd 96 unpgc c763a0
0 107 system netbsd 222 key_timehandler fc1af4
0 106 system netbsd 222 icmp6_wqinput fc1a74
0 105 system netbsd 222 nd6_timer fc19f4
0 104 system netbsd 222 carp6_wqinput fc18f4
0 103 system netbsd 222 carp_wqinput fc1874
0 102 system netbsd 222 icmp_wqinput fc17f4
0 101 system netbsd 222 rt_timer fc1774
0 100 system netbsd 125 vmem_rehash fc13f4
0 26 system netbsd 43 entropy c3d678
0 25 system netbsd 96 usbtsk c5b858
0 24 system netbsd 96 usbtsk c5b830
0 23 system netbsd 96 atath ff09bc
0 22 system netbsd 96 awacs_wait fef454
0 20 system netbsd 96 sccomp ff00a0
0 18 system netbsd 96 sccomp ad4a0
0 17 system netbsd 96 atath d010021c
0 16 system netbsd 96 smtaskq c5c434
0 15 system netbsd 43 pmfsuspend b2274
0 14 system netbsd 43 pmfevent b21f4
0 13 system netbsd 96 sopendfr c7635c
0 12 system netbsd 222 ifwdog b20f4
0 11 system netbsd 222 iflnkst b2074
0 10 system netbsd 43 nfssilly dcef34
0 9 system netbsd 125 vdrain c76eec
0 8 system netbsd 125 mod_unld c6f2fc
0 7 system netbsd 127 xcall c027c8
0 6 system netbsd 223 0
0 5 system netbsd 220 0
0 4 system netbsd 221 0
0 3 system netbsd 222 0
0 2 system netbsd 0 0
0 0 system netbsd 125 uvm c3df80
db> show all tstiles
PID LID COMMAND WAITING-FOR WAIT-CHANNEL (nothing eles outputted)
db> bt/t 0t$3288
trace: pid 0 lid 177 at 0xe37de0
0x00e37e40: at cpu_switchto+0x28
0x00e37e50: at mi_switch+0x140
0x00e37e90: at sleepq_block+0xe0
0x00e37eb0: at cv_wait+0xc0
0x00e37ee0: at workqueue_worker+0x12c
0x00e37f20: at cpu_lwp_bootstrap+0xc
0x00e37fe8: at 0xfffffffc
db>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 20,=
2025 at 11:55=E2=80=AFPM Taylor R Campbell <<a href=3D"mailto:riastradh=
@netbsd.org">riastradh@netbsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 12:22:26 -0800<br>
> From: Chris Tucker <<a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">capa150@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> I was able to type at the console and see characters but there was no<=
br>
> response otherwise.<br>
<br>
Huh, so the console is responsive and echoing input, which suggests<br>
it's still in userland.=C2=A0 Can you type ^T when this happens?=C2=A0 =
What does<br>
it say when you do that?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>netbsd# rndctl=
-S seed2 =C2=A0 (works)</div><div><div>netbsd# rndctl -S seed2<span class=
=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>=C2=A0 (works)</div></div><di=
v><div>netbsd# rndctl -S seed2<span class=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=
=C2=A0</span>=C2=A0 (works)</div></div><div><div>netbsd# rndctl -S seed2<sp=
an class=3D"gmail-Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>=C2=A0 (freezes, and =
I press ctrl-t)</div>[ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 =C2=A0cmd: rndctl 633 [biowa=
it] 0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-sty=
le:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Can you run rndctl in the background, and either start up crash(8)<br>
(userland version of ddb that can examine a live kernel, doesn't crash<=
br>
your system) or enter ddb with `sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1' and=
<br>
`sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1'?<br>
<br>
If so, at the crash or ddb prompt, can you get the output of these<br>
commands?<br>
<br>
ps<br>
ps/w<br>
show all tstiles<br>
bt/t 0t$PID=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 where $PID is the pid in deci=
mal of rndctl<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>NOTE: photographs of my d=
isplay to verify my typing:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://i.ibb.co/7vnbHvL/pr5901=
4.jpg">https://i.ibb.co/7vnbHvL/pr59014.jpg</a></div><div><br></div>netbsd#=
rndctl -S seed2 & (couldn't' tell you if this command froze or=
not)<br>netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme_enable=3D1<br>debug.crashme_enable=
: 0 -> 1<br>netbsd# sysctl -w debug.crashme.ddb=3D1<br>[ 206.2935173] cr=
ashme_sysctl_forwarder:201: invoking "ddb" (enter ddb directly)<b=
r>Stopped in pid 3603.3603 (sysctl) at netbsd: crashme_ddb+0x10: lwz<br>r0,=
0x14(r1)<br>db> ps<br>PID LID S CPU FLAGS STRUCT LWP * NAME WAIT<br>3=
603 > 3603 7 0 0 ef43940 sysctl<br>3288 3288 3 0 0 e2d5680 rndctl =
biowait<br>3018 3018 3 0 180 f1fbd00 sh wait<br>4027 4027 3 0 180 e2d5=
080 sh wait<br>3170 3170 3 0 180 ef43c40 sshd poll<br>3936 3936 3 0 1=
80 fb3a380 sshd poll<br>2207 2207 3 0 180 fb3a080 sh ttyraw<br>1486 =
1486 3 0 180 f1fb400 getty ttyraw<br>2100 2100 3 0 180 f10940 getty t=
tyraw<br>1730 1730 3 0 180 f10c40 getty ttyraw<br>1323 1323 3 0 180 ffa=
700 getty ttyraw<br>2465 2465 3 0 180 f1fb100 login wait<br>1590 1590 =
3 0 180 ef43040 cron nanoslp<br>1366 1366 3 0 180 ef43640 inetd kqueu=
e<br>1609 1609 3 0 180 fafb700 qmgr kqueue<br>2077 2077 3 0 180 fb3a980=
pickup kqueue<br>2211 2211 3 0 180 e2d5380 master kqueue<br>848 848 =
3 0 180 f1fba00 sshd poll<br>440 440 3 0 180 fb3a680 powerd kqueue=
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0 118 3 0 200 f10040 pgdaemon pgdaemon<br>0 115 3 0 200 ffad00 sw=
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3 0 200 f9b380 npfgc0 npfgcw<br>0 110 3 0 200 f74a00 usb0 usbevt<b=
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106 3 0 200 f949c0 icmp6_wqinput/0 icmp6_wqinput<br>0 105 3 0 200 =
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0 6 1 0 200 d69c40 softser/0<br>0 5 1 0 40200 d69940 softclk/0<br>=
0 4 1 0 200 d69640 softbio/0<br>0 3 1 0 40200 d69340 softnet/0<br>=
0 2 1 0 201 d69040 idle/0<br>0 0 3 0 200 c3df80 swapper uvm<br>=
db> ps/w<br>PID LID COMMAND EMUL PRI WAIT-MSG WAIT-CHANNEL<br>3603 =
> 3603 sysctl netbsd 43 0<br>3288 3288 rndctl netbsd 43 biowait =
c88a694<br>3018 3018 sh netbsd 43 wait f3f9044<br>4027 4207 sh net=
bsd 41 wait e2d704c<br>3170 3170 sshd netbsd 43 poll dd7400<br>3936 =
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tbsd 41 ttyraw fae828<br>1730 1730 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw faea28<br>=
1323 1323 getty netbsd 41 ttyraw faec28<br>2465 2465 login netbsd 42 =
wait f68f53c<br>1590 1590 cron netbsd 43 nanoslp ef43040<br>1366 1366=
inetd netbsd 39 kqueue d056d80<br>1609 1609 qmgr netbsd 41 kqueue =
f5e7740<br>2077 2077 pickup netbsd 43 kqueue f5e7f40<br>2211 2211 maste=
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125 pooldrain c6e1fc<br>0 119 system netbsd 124 syncer f10340<br>0 =
118 system netbsd 126 pgdaemon c6d570<br>0 115 system netbsd 43 sw=
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244<br>0 109 system netbsd 222 rt_free fc1bf4<br>0 108 system netb=
sd 96 unpgc c763a0<br>0 107 system netbsd 222 key_timehandler fc1af4=
<br>0 106 system netbsd 222 icmp6_wqinput fc1a74<br>0 105 system net=
bsd 222 nd6_timer fc19f4<br>0 104 system netbsd 222 carp6_wqinput fc1=
8f4<br>0 103 system netbsd 222 carp_wqinput fc1874<br>0 102 system n=
etbsd 222 icmp_wqinput fc17f4<br>0 101 system netbsd 222 rt_timer fc1=
774<br>0 100 system netbsd 125 vmem_rehash fc13f4<br>0 26 system ne=
tbsd 43 entropy c3d678<br>0 25 system netbsd 96 usbtsk c5b858<br>0=
24 system netbsd 96 usbtsk c5b830<br>0 23 system netbsd 96 atath=
ff09bc<br>0 22 system netbsd 96 awacs_wait fef454<br>0 20 system =
netbsd 96 sccomp ff00a0<br>0 18 system netbsd 96 sccomp ad4a0<br>=
0 17 system netbsd 96 atath d010021c<br>0 16 system netbsd 96 smt=
askq c5c434<br>0 15 system netbsd 43 pmfsuspend b2274<br>0 14 syst=
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c<br>0 12 system netbsd 222 ifwdog b20f4<br>0 11 system netbsd 22=
2 iflnkst b2074<br>0 10 system netbsd 43 nfssilly dcef34<br>0 9 sy=
stem netbsd 125 vdrain c76eec<br>0 8 system netbsd 125 mod_unld c6=
f2fc<br>0 7 system netbsd 127 xcall c027c8<br>0 6 system netbsd 2=
23 0<br>0 5 system netbsd 220 0<br>0 4 system netbsd 221 =
0<br>0 3 system netbsd 222 0<br>0 2 system netbsd 0 0<br>=
0 0 system netbsd 125 uvm c3df80<br>db> show all tstiles<br> PID =
LID COMMAND WAITING-FOR WAIT-CHANNEL =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (nothing eles outputted)=
<br>db> bt/t 0t$3288<br>trace: pid 0 lid 177 at 0xe37de0<br>0x00e37e40: =
at cpu_switchto+0x28<br>0x00e37e50: at mi_switch+0x140<br>0x00e37e90: at sl=
eepq_block+0xe0<br>0x00e37eb0: at cv_wait+0xc0<br>0x00e37ee0: at workqueue_=
worker+0x12c<br>0x00e37f20: at cpu_lwp_bootstrap+0xc<br>0x00e37fe8: at 0xff=
fffffc<br><div>db>=C2=A0</div></div></div>
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From: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@NetBSD.org>
To: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
Cc: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org, netbsd-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 19:44:24 +0000
> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:25:31 -0800
> From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
>
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
> [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k
Interesting. What kind of disk do you have?
In crash(8) or ddb, can you get the kernel stack trace of the rndctl
process? In this case, the pid is 633, so it would be:
crash> bt/t 0t633
(Note the `0t' prefix for decimal.)
I bet it's going to come up in sys_fsync_range, which is going to
reveal a problem with fsync_range(FDISKSYNC) on your disk controller
or hard disk.
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: Taylor R Campbell <riastradh@netbsd.org>, gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 21:58:08 -0800
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d.org>
wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:25:31 -0800
> > From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
> >
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works,
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
> > [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0% 142=
4k
>
> Interesting. What kind of disk do you have?
It's an old 12.0GB IBM Travelstar DJSA-220 that I grabbed out of my box o'
parts to test NetBSD 10.1 with. I have been using NetBSD 9.1 on my
"official" system (dual-boot with MacOS 8.6), running off a new-old-stock
30GB Maxtor Diamondmax I bought off ebay a year ago. Both IDE.
I wanted to run through the 10.1 install process without disturbing my
functional 9.1 system, hence the use of the old drive.
> In crash(8) or ddb, can you get the kernel stack trace of the rndctl
> process? In this case, the pid is 633, so it would be:
>
> crash> bt/t 0t633
>
> (Note the `0t' prefix for decimal.)
>
> I bet it's going to come up in sys_fsync_range, which is going to
> reveal a problem with fsync_range(FDISKSYNC) on your disk controller
> or hard disk.
>
I ran the rndctl command in the background to get it to fail.
While in crash on console:
PID LID S CPU FLAGS STRUCT LWP * NAME WAI=
T
4941 4941 3 0 0 fb3a680
rndctl biowait
>From an ssh session on another machine at the same time:
netbsd# crash
Crash version 10.1, image version 10.1.
Output from a running system is unreliable.
crash> bt/t 0t4941
trace: pid 4941 lid 4941 at 0x172cb00
0x0172cb60: at cpu_switchto+0x28
0x0172cb70: at mi_switch+0x140
0x0172cbb0: at sleepq_block+0xe0
0x0172cbd0: at cv_wait+0xc0
0x0172cc00: at bwrite+0x150
0x0172cc20: at ffs_update.part.0+0x3cc
0x0172cc60: at ufs_gro_rename+0xec
0x0172ccd0: at genfs_sane_rename+0x220
0x0172cd40: at ufs_sane_rename+0x3c
0x0172cd80: at genfs_insane_rename+0x9c
0x0172cdb0: at VOP_RENAME+0x80
0x0172cdf0: at do_sys_renameat.isra.0+0x558
0x0172cec0: at syscall+0x294
0x0172cf20: user SC trap #128 by 0xfdcac858: srr1=3D0xd032
r1=3D0xffffe0c0 cr=3D0x44000482 xer=3D0x20000000 ctr=3D0xfdcac8=
50
I installed NetBSD 10.1 on a third IDE drive, and the error persists.
I tried it on my 9.1 machine, running randctl -L seed 16 times in a row
before it froze on the 16th time; hit ctrl-t and saw "biowait" again. But I
suspect randctl wasn't meant to be run 16 times in rapid succession, if
that matters.
Guess it could be a hardware problem, IDE controller mebbe. I'll try all
the usual hw fixes (cuda, pram, etc) and mebbe look into a PCI IDE
controller card, or see if I can dig up a suitable SCSI drive.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 11:44=E2=80=AFAM Taylor R Campbell <<a href=3D"mail=
to:riastradh@netbsd.org" target=3D"_blank">riastradh@netbsd.org</a>> wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2025 11:25:31 -0800<br=
>
> From: Chris Tucker <<a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com" target=3D"=
_blank">capa150@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works,=C2=A0<br>
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(freezes, and I press ctrl-t)<br>
> [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42=C2=A0 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s =
0% 1424k<br>
<br>
Interesting.=C2=A0 What kind of disk do you have?</blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>It's an old 12.0GB IBM Travelstar DJSA-220 that I grabbed out of=
my box o' parts to test NetBSD 10.1 with. I have been using NetBSD 9.1=
on my "official" system (dual-boot with MacOS 8.6), running off =
a new-old-stock 30GB Maxtor Diamondmax I bought off ebay a year ago. Both I=
DE.</div><div><br></div><div>I wanted to run through the 10.1 install proce=
ss without disturbing my functional 9.1 system, hence the use of the old dr=
ive.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left=
-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0</blockquote><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px=
;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x">
<br>
In crash(8) or ddb, can you get the kernel stack trace of the rndctl<br>
process?=C2=A0 In this case, the pid is 633, so it would be:<br>
<br>
crash> bt/t 0t633<br>
<br>
(Note the `0t' prefix for decimal.)<br>
<br>
I bet it's going to come up in sys_fsync_range, which is going to<br>
reveal a problem with fsync_range(FDISKSYNC) on your disk controller<br>
or hard disk.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I ran the rndctl=C2=A0com=
mand in the background to get it to fail.</div><div><br></div><div>While in=
crash on console:</div><div>PID =C2=A0 =C2=A0LID =C2=A0 =C2=A0 S =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0CPU =C2=A0 =C2=A0 FLAGS =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 STRUCT LWP =C2=A0=
* =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NAME =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0WAIT</div><div>4941 =C2=A04=
941 =C2=A0 3 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 fb3a680 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rndctl =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0biowait</div><div><br></div><div>From an=C2=A0ssh session on anot=
her machine at the same time:</div><div>netbsd# crash<br>Crash version 10.1=
, image version 10.1.<br>Output from a running system is unreliable.<br>cra=
sh> bt/t 0t4941<br>trace: pid 4941 lid 4941 at 0x172cb00<br>0x0172cb60: =
at cpu_switchto+0x28<br>0x0172cb70: at mi_switch+0x140<br>0x0172cbb0: at sl=
eepq_block+0xe0<br>0x0172cbd0: at cv_wait+0xc0<br>0x0172cc00: at bwrite+0x1=
50<br>0x0172cc20: at ffs_update.part.0+0x3cc<br>0x0172cc60: at ufs_gro_rena=
me+0xec<br>0x0172ccd0: at genfs_sane_rename+0x220<br>0x0172cd40: at ufs_san=
e_rename+0x3c<br>0x0172cd80: at genfs_insane_rename+0x9c<br>0x0172cdb0: at =
VOP_RENAME+0x80<br>0x0172cdf0: at do_sys_renameat.isra.0+0x558<br>0x0172cec=
0: at syscall+0x294<br>0x0172cf20: user SC trap #128 by 0xfdcac858: srr1=3D=
0xd032<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 r1=3D0xffffe0c0 cr=3D0x=
44000482 xer=3D0x20000000 ctr=3D0xfdcac850<br></div><div><br></div><div>I i=
nstalled NetBSD 10.1 on a third IDE drive, and the error persists.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>I tried it on my 9.1 machine, running randctl -L seed 16 t=
imes in a row before it froze on the 16th time; hit ctrl-t and saw "bi=
owait" again. But I suspect randctl=C2=A0wasn't meant to be run 16=
times in rapid succession, if that matters.</div><div><br></div><div>Guess=
it could be a hardware problem, IDE controller mebbe. I'll try all the=
usual hw fixes (cuda, pram, etc) and mebbe look into a PCI IDE controller =
card, or see if I can dig up a suitable SCSI drive.</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>
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From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 12:22:25 +0100
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
> [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k
Just for completenes: could you mount a tmpfs on /tmp (if you haven't
that already as part of your standard install) and then try again with a
sequence of
# rndctl -S /tmp/seed
One other thing to check if the drive knows it is failing:
# atactl wd0 smart status
This could be the disk not giving up on the sector (and remapping it yet),
but running into issues whenever trying to write it. I would expect
dmesg spam from that though.
If you have anything but the fresh install on the disk, I would do a backup
ASAP.
Martin
From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org, port-macppc-maintainer@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2025 13:05:37 -0800
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 3:25=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann via gnats <
gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> The following reply was made to PR port-macppc/59014; it has been noted b=
y
> GNATS.
>
> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc
> b&w G3
> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 12:22:25 +0100
>
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
> > [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0%
> 1424k
>
> Just for completenes: could you mount a tmpfs on /tmp (if you haven't
> that already as part of your standard install) and then try again with a
> sequence of
>
> # rndctl -S /tmp/seed
>
> One other thing to check if the drive knows it is failing:
>
> # atactl wd0 smart status
>
> This could be the disk not giving up on the sector (and remapping it yet=
),
> but running into issues whenever trying to write it. I would expect
> dmesg spam from that though.
>
> If you have anything but the fresh install on the disk, I would do a
> backup
> ASAP.
>
> Martin
>
> A terrific idea!
I did a
mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp
followed by
# rndctl -S /tmp/seed
I repeated the rndctl -S command above 32 times for good measure with no
errors. I also did a rndctl -L off the tmpfs another 32 times without error
(seems to have eliminated the problem).
Smart on my IBM DJSA-220 test-install drive running NetBSD 10.1:
netbsd# atactl wd0 smart status
SMART supported, SMART enabled
id value thresh crit collect reliability description raw
1 100 62 yes online positive Raw read error rate 0
2 100 40 yes offline positive Throughput performance 0
3 102 33 yes online positive Spin-up time
107374182402
4 100 0 no online positive Start/stop count 1506
5 100 5 yes online positive Reallocated sector count 0
7 100 67 yes online positive Seek error rate 0
8 100 40 yes offline positive Seek time performance 0
9 57 0 no online positive Power-on hours count 19067
10 100 60 yes online positive Spin retry count 0
12 100 0 no online positive Device power cycle count 1391
191 100 0 no online positive G-sense error rate 0
192 100 0 no online positive Power-off retract count 86
193 1 50 no online negative Load cycle count 105928=
2
196 100 0 no online positive Reallocated event count 7
197 100 0 no online positive Current pending sector 2
198 100 0 no offline positive Offline uncorrectable 0
199 200 0 no online positive Ultra DMA CRC error count 127
netbsd#
Smart on my Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 (new old stock) NetBSD 9.1 system:
kawaii# atactl wd0 smart status
SMART supported, SMART enabled
id value thresh crit collect reliability description raw
3 221 63 yes online positive Spin-up time 11385
4 253 0 no online positive Start/stop count 185
5 253 63 yes online positive Reallocated sector count 0
6 253 100 yes offline positive Read channel margin 0
7 253 0 no online positive Seek error rate 0
8 252 187 yes online positive Seek time performance 52886
9 253 0 no online positive Power-on hours count 6774
10 253 157 yes online positive Spin retry count 0
11 253 223 yes online positive Calibration retry count 0
12 253 0 no online positive Device power cycle count 177
99 253 0 no offline positive Unknown 0
100 253 0 no offline positive Erase/Program Cycles 0
101 253 0 no offline positive Unknown 0
192 253 0 no online positive Power-off retract count 120
193 253 0 no online positive Load cycle count 191
194 253 0 no online positive Temperature 42
195 253 0 no online positive Hardware ECC Recovered 2226
196 253 0 no offline positive Reallocated event count 0
197 253 0 no offline positive Current pending sector 0
198 253 0 no offline positive Offline uncorrectable 0
199 199 0 no offline positive Ultra DMA CRC error count 1
200 253 0 no online positive Write error rate 0
201 253 0 no online positive Soft read error rate 3
202 253 0 no online positive Data address mark errors 0
203 253 180 yes online positive Run out cancel 0
204 253 0 no online positive Soft ECC correction 0
205 253 0 no online positive Thermal asperity check 0
207 253 0 no online positive Spin high current 0
208 253 0 no online positive Spin buzz 0
209 185 0 no offline positive Offline seek performance 0
kawaii#
Both drives exhibited the rndctl crash problem.
I suspect the Mac's onboard IDE controller is flakey, as it is known to be
wacky. See the following link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blue_and_White_2
I have the "good" revision 2 motherboard, which some people think is also
quirky.
My next plan is to modify the kernel to turn off UDMA mode on the hard disk
using the wd flags, see if that resolves the problem.
Thanks to all for helping to narrow down the cause of the problem.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23,=
2025 at 3:25=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann via gnats <<a href=3D"mailto:gn=
ats-admin@netbsd.org">gnats-admin@netbsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-w=
idth:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">The following reply was made to PR port-macppc/59014; it has bee=
n noted by GNATS.<br>
<br>
From: Martin Husemann <<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
blank">martin@duskware.de</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:gnats-bugs@netbsd.org" target=3D"_blank">gnats-bugs@n=
etbsd.org</a><br>
Cc: <br>
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&a=
mp;w G3<br>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 12:22:25 +0100<br>
<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(freezes, and I press =
ctrl-t)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42=C2=A0 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] =
0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k<br>
<br>
=C2=A0Just for completenes: could you mount a tmpfs on /tmp (if you haven&#=
39;t<br>
=C2=A0that already as part of your standard install) and then try again wit=
h a<br>
=C2=A0sequence of<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # rndctl -S /tmp/seed<br>
<br>
=C2=A0One other thing to check if the drive knows it is failing:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # atactl wd0 smart status<br>
<br>
=C2=A0This could be the disk not giving up on the sector (and remapping it =
yet),<br>
=C2=A0but running into issues whenever trying to write it. I would expect<b=
r>
=C2=A0dmesg spam from that though.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0If you have anything but the fresh install on the disk, I would do a =
backup<br>
=C2=A0ASAP.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0Martin<br>
<br></blockquote><div>A terrific idea!</div><div><br></div><div>I did a</di=
v><div>mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp=C2=A0</div><div>followed by=C2=A0</div><di=
v># rndctl -S /tmp/seed</div><div>I repeated the rndctl -S command above 32=
times for good measure with no errors. I also did a rndctl -L off the tmpf=
s another 32 times without error (seems to have eliminated the problem).=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Smart on my IBM=C2=A0<span class=3D"gmail-Appl=
e-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>DJSA-220 =C2=A0test-install drive running N=
etBSD 10.1:</div><div>netbsd# atactl wd0 smart status<br>SMART supported, S=
MART enabled<br>id value thresh crit collect reliability description =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 raw<br>=C2=A0 1 100 =C2=
=A0 62 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Raw read error =
rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 2 100 =C2=A0 40 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
yes offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Throughput performance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A00<br>=C2=A0 3 102 =C2=A0 33 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Spin-up time =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0107374182402<br>=C2=A0 4 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onlin=
e =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Start/stop count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A01506<br>=C2=A0 5 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A05 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =
=C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated sector count =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=
=A0 7 100 =C2=A0 67 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Se=
ek error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 8 100 =
=C2=A0 40 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek time perform=
ance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 9 =C2=A057 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-on hours count =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A019067<br>=C2=A010 100 =C2=A0 60 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes onli=
ne =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A012 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onlin=
e =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Device power cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A01391<br=
>191 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0=
=C2=A0G-sense error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>192 100 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Po=
wer-off retract count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 86<br>193 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 50 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0negative =C2=A0 =C2=A0Load cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01059282<br>196 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated event count =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 7<br>197 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0=
positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Current pending sector =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02<br>198 1=
00 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Offl=
ine uncorrectable =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>199 200 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ultra DMA CRC error coun=
t =C2=A0 127<br>netbsd#=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Smart on my Maxt=
or DiamondMax=C2=A0Plus 8 (new old stock) NetBSD 9.1 system:</div><div>kawa=
ii# atactl wd0 smart status<br>SMART supported, SMART enabled<br>id value t=
hresh crit collect reliability description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 raw<br>=C2=A0 3 221 =C2=A0 63 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes on=
line =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin-up time =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A011385<br>=C2=A0 4 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Start/stop count =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0185<br>=C2=A0 5 253 =C2=A0 63 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated sector count =C2=A0 =C2=
=A00<br>=C2=A0 6 253 =C2=A0100 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes offline positive =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Read channel margin =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 7 253 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek =
error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 8 252 =C2=
=A0187 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek time perfo=
rmance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 52886<br>=C2=A0 9 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-on hours count =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A06774<br>=C2=A010 253 =C2=A0157 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes onlin=
e =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A011 253 =C2=A0223 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0pos=
itive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Calibration retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A012 253 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0De=
vice power cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A0177<br>=C2=A099 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unknown =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>100 253 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Erase/Program =
Cycles =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>101 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unknown =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>192 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-off retract co=
unt =C2=A0 =C2=A0 120<br>193 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onli=
ne =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Load cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0191<br>194 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =
=C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Temperature =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 42<br>195 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0on=
line =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hardware ECC Recovered =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A02226<br>196 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated event count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>197 253 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Current pending s=
ector =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>198 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=
=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Offline uncorrectable =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
0<br>199 199 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0=
=C2=A0Ultra DMA CRC error count =C2=A0 1<br>200 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Write error rate =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>201 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Soft read error rate =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03<br>202 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onli=
ne =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Data address mark errors =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>2=
03 253 =C2=A0180 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Run o=
ut cancel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>204 253 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Soft =
ECC correction =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>205 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thermal asperity che=
ck =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>207 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0o=
nline =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin high current =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>208 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=
=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin buzz =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>209 185 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=
=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Offline seek performance =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br=
>kawaii#=C2=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Both drives exhibited the rndct=
l crash problem.</div><div><br></div><div>I suspect the Mac's onboard I=
DE controller is flakey, as it is known to be wacky. See the following link=
:</div><div><a href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blu=
e_and_White_2">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blue_and_Wh=
ite_2</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have the "good" revision=
2 motherboard, which some people think is also quirky.</div><div><br></div=
><div>My next plan is to modify the kernel to turn off UDMA mode on the har=
d disk using the wd flags, see if that resolves the problem.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Thanks to all for helping to narrow down the cause of the proble=
m.</div></div></div>
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From: Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org, port-macppc-maintainer@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&w G3
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:33:29 -0800
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Modifying the kernel to turn off UDMA and even DMA did not resolve the
problem when running the drive off the motherboard UDMA port.
(Also, as an aside, I got no rndctl crashes when I ran the drive off
the "IDE" port on the Mac's motherboard, which is normally used for the
CDROM and different from the UDMA port)
I purchased a Sonnet ATA Tempo 133 IDE controller and connected the drive
to it.
This eliminated the rndctl problem entirely when using the unaltered
GENERIC kernel. I ran a script to test rndctl 250 times for both load and
save. The Mac never crashed.
However, there was a new problem: I got well over 100 repeated
warnings/errors:
wd0: error reading fsbn ... xfer f70, retry 0
wd0: (aborted command, interface CRC error)
wd0: soft error (corrected) xfer f70
These errors occur during the installer process, making it difficult to
read. It does successfully install, however.
The errors also occur during boot and normal operation.
I am using a short UDMA cable.
According to https://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2005/08/24/0000.html
CRC errors are harmless as long as they do not occur often:
[quote]
"This is harmless as long as it doesn't occur often. This means that
the data got corrupted during transfers on the IDE bus, and this was
detected by the Ultra-DMA CRC function (in this case the driver just redo
the
transfers). It's expected to see occasionnal CRC errors on Ultra-DMA IDE
busses, this bus just can't do reliable data transmission at this speed
(PATA Ultra-DMA could be called a hardware hack :)"
I also noted that during boot there was a message along the lines
of "transfer error downgrading to udma mode 3"
This blue and white G3 officially only does UDMA mode 2. So the system was
trying initially to use udma mode 4, then dropped down to mode 3, causing
errors along the way.
Taking that as a clue, I modified the kernel "wd" flag to 0x0aac (udma mode
2, dma mode 2, pio mode 4) and rebooted. The numerous error messages were
no longer manifesting at all. (though they would still appear during
install, since I haven't modified the install kernel. Can I just copy my
modded kernel to the installer? Or does the installer kernel do some
special and different stuff?)
Also I plan on looking into a means of quieting the console error messages
during install.
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 1:05=E2=80=AFPM Chris Tucker <capa150@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 3:25=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann via gnats <
> gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
>
>> The following reply was made to PR port-macppc/59014; it has been noted
>> by GNATS.
>>
>> From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
>> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc
>> b&w G3
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 12:22:25 +0100
>>
>> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
>> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
>> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (works)
>> > netbsd# rndctl -S seed2 (freezes, and I press ctrl-t)
>> > [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] 0.01u 0.00s 0%
>> 1424k
>>
>> Just for completenes: could you mount a tmpfs on /tmp (if you haven't
>> that already as part of your standard install) and then try again with =
a
>> sequence of
>>
>> # rndctl -S /tmp/seed
>>
>> One other thing to check if the drive knows it is failing:
>>
>> # atactl wd0 smart status
>>
>> This could be the disk not giving up on the sector (and remapping it
>> yet),
>> but running into issues whenever trying to write it. I would expect
>> dmesg spam from that though.
>>
>> If you have anything but the fresh install on the disk, I would do a
>> backup
>> ASAP.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> A terrific idea!
>
> I did a
> mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp
> followed by
> # rndctl -S /tmp/seed
> I repeated the rndctl -S command above 32 times for good measure with no
> errors. I also did a rndctl -L off the tmpfs another 32 times without err=
or
> (seems to have eliminated the problem).
>
> Smart on my IBM DJSA-220 test-install drive running NetBSD 10.1:
> netbsd# atactl wd0 smart status
> SMART supported, SMART enabled
> id value thresh crit collect reliability description raw
> 1 100 62 yes online positive Raw read error rate 0
> 2 100 40 yes offline positive Throughput performance 0
> 3 102 33 yes online positive Spin-up time
> 107374182402
> 4 100 0 no online positive Start/stop count 1506
> 5 100 5 yes online positive Reallocated sector count 0
> 7 100 67 yes online positive Seek error rate 0
> 8 100 40 yes offline positive Seek time performance 0
> 9 57 0 no online positive Power-on hours count 1906=
7
> 10 100 60 yes online positive Spin retry count 0
> 12 100 0 no online positive Device power cycle count 1391
> 191 100 0 no online positive G-sense error rate 0
> 192 100 0 no online positive Power-off retract count 86
> 193 1 50 no online negative Load cycle count
> 1059282
> 196 100 0 no online positive Reallocated event count 7
> 197 100 0 no online positive Current pending sector 2
> 198 100 0 no offline positive Offline uncorrectable 0
> 199 200 0 no online positive Ultra DMA CRC error count 127
> netbsd#
>
> Smart on my Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 (new old stock) NetBSD 9.1 system:
> kawaii# atactl wd0 smart status
> SMART supported, SMART enabled
> id value thresh crit collect reliability description raw
> 3 221 63 yes online positive Spin-up time 1138=
5
> 4 253 0 no online positive Start/stop count 185
> 5 253 63 yes online positive Reallocated sector count 0
> 6 253 100 yes offline positive Read channel margin 0
> 7 253 0 no online positive Seek error rate 0
> 8 252 187 yes online positive Seek time performance 5288=
6
> 9 253 0 no online positive Power-on hours count 6774
> 10 253 157 yes online positive Spin retry count 0
> 11 253 223 yes online positive Calibration retry count 0
> 12 253 0 no online positive Device power cycle count 177
> 99 253 0 no offline positive Unknown 0
> 100 253 0 no offline positive Erase/Program Cycles 0
> 101 253 0 no offline positive Unknown 0
> 192 253 0 no online positive Power-off retract count 120
> 193 253 0 no online positive Load cycle count 191
> 194 253 0 no online positive Temperature 42
> 195 253 0 no online positive Hardware ECC Recovered 2226
> 196 253 0 no offline positive Reallocated event count 0
> 197 253 0 no offline positive Current pending sector 0
> 198 253 0 no offline positive Offline uncorrectable 0
> 199 199 0 no offline positive Ultra DMA CRC error count 1
> 200 253 0 no online positive Write error rate 0
> 201 253 0 no online positive Soft read error rate 3
> 202 253 0 no online positive Data address mark errors 0
> 203 253 180 yes online positive Run out cancel 0
> 204 253 0 no online positive Soft ECC correction 0
> 205 253 0 no online positive Thermal asperity check 0
> 207 253 0 no online positive Spin high current 0
> 208 253 0 no online positive Spin buzz 0
> 209 185 0 no offline positive Offline seek performance 0
> kawaii#
>
> Both drives exhibited the rndctl crash problem.
>
> I suspect the Mac's onboard IDE controller is flakey, as it is known to b=
e
> wacky. See the following link:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blue_and_White_2
>
> I have the "good" revision 2 motherboard, which some people think is also
> quirky.
>
> My next plan is to modify the kernel to turn off UDMA mode on the hard
> disk using the wd flags, see if that resolves the problem.
>
> Thanks to all for helping to narrow down the cause of the problem.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Modifying the kernel to turn off UDMA and even DMA did not=
resolve the problem when running=C2=A0the drive off the motherboard UDMA p=
ort.<div><br></div><div><div>(Also, as an aside, I got no rndctl crashes wh=
en I ran the drive off the=C2=A0"IDE" port on the Mac's mothe=
rboard, which is normally used for the CDROM and different from the UDMA po=
rt)</div></div><div><br></div><div>I purchased a Sonnet ATA Tempo 133 IDE c=
ontroller and connected the drive to it.</div><div><br></div><div>This elim=
inated the rndctl problem entirely when using the unaltered GENERIC kernel.=
I ran a script to test=C2=A0rndctl 250 times for both load and save. The M=
ac never crashed.</div><div><br></div><div>However, there was a new problem=
: I got well over 100 repeated warnings/errors:</div><div>wd0: error readin=
g fsbn ... xfer f70, retry 0</div><div>wd0: (aborted command, interface CRC=
error)</div><div>wd0: soft error (corrected) xfer f70</div><div><br></div>=
<div>These errors occur during the installer process, making it difficult t=
o read. It does successfully install, however.</div><div>The errors also oc=
cur during boot and normal operation.</div><div><br></div><div>I am using a=
short UDMA cable.</div><div><br></div><div>According to=C2=A0<a href=3D"ht=
tps://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2005/08/24/0000.html">https://mail-in=
dex.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2005/08/24/0000.html</a> CRC errors are harmless a=
s long as they do not occur often:</div><div><br></div><div>[quote]</div><d=
iv>"This is harmless as long as it doesn't occur often. This means=
that</div>the data got corrupted during transfers on the IDE bus, and this=
was<br>detected by the Ultra-DMA CRC function (in this case the driver jus=
t redo the<br>transfers). It's expected to see occasionnal CRC errors o=
n Ultra-DMA IDE<br>busses, this bus just can't do reliable data transmi=
ssion at this speed<br>(PATA Ultra-DMA could be called a hardware hack :)&q=
uot;<div><div><br></div><div>I also noted that during boot there was a mess=
age along the lines of=C2=A0"transfer error downgrading to udma mode 3=
"</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>This blue and white G3 officially=C2=A0on=
ly does UDMA mode 2. So the system was trying initially to use udma mode 4,=
then dropped down to mode 3, causing errors along the way.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Taking that as a clue, I modified the kernel "wd" flag =
to 0x0aac (udma mode 2, dma mode 2, pio mode 4) and rebooted. The numerous =
error messages were no longer manifesting at all. (though they would still =
appear during install, since I haven't modified the install kernel. Can=
I just copy my modded kernel to the installer? Or does the installer kerne=
l do some special and different stuff?)</div><div><br></div><div>Also I pla=
n on looking into a means of quieting the console error messages during ins=
tall.</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_q=
uote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 =
at 1:05=E2=80=AFPM Chris Tucker <<a href=3D"mailto:capa150@gmail.com">ca=
pa150@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 3:25=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann=
via gnats <<a href=3D"mailto:gnats-admin@netbsd.org" target=3D"_blank">=
gnats-admin@netbsd.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-s=
tyle:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The followi=
ng reply was made to PR port-macppc/59014; it has been noted by GNATS.<br>
<br>
From: Martin Husemann <<a href=3D"mailto:martin@duskware.de" target=3D"_=
blank">martin@duskware.de</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:gnats-bugs@netbsd.org" target=3D"_blank">gnats-bugs@n=
etbsd.org</a><br>
Cc: <br>
Subject: Re: port-macppc/59014: Shutdown -r now often freezes on macppc b&a=
mp;w G3<br>
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 12:22:25 +0100<br>
<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(works)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 netbsd# rndctl -S seed2=C2=A0 =C2=A0(freezes, and I press =
ctrl-t)<br>
=C2=A0>=C2=A0 [ 139.8510292] load: 0.42=C2=A0 cmd: rndctl 633 [biowait] =
0.01u 0.00s 0% 1424k<br>
<br>
=C2=A0Just for completenes: could you mount a tmpfs on /tmp (if you haven&#=
39;t<br>
=C2=A0that already as part of your standard install) and then try again wit=
h a<br>
=C2=A0sequence of<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # rndctl -S /tmp/seed<br>
<br>
=C2=A0One other thing to check if the drive knows it is failing:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 # atactl wd0 smart status<br>
<br>
=C2=A0This could be the disk not giving up on the sector (and remapping it =
yet),<br>
=C2=A0but running into issues whenever trying to write it. I would expect<b=
r>
=C2=A0dmesg spam from that though.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0If you have anything but the fresh install on the disk, I would do a =
backup<br>
=C2=A0ASAP.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0Martin<br>
<br></blockquote><div>A terrific idea!</div><div><br></div><div>I did a</di=
v><div>mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /tmp=C2=A0</div><div>followed by=C2=A0</div><di=
v># rndctl -S /tmp/seed</div><div>I repeated the rndctl -S command above 32=
times for good measure with no errors. I also did a rndctl -L off the tmpf=
s another 32 times without error (seems to have eliminated the problem).=C2=
=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Smart on my IBM=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span>DJSA-2=
20 =C2=A0test-install drive running NetBSD 10.1:</div><div>netbsd# atactl w=
d0 smart status<br>SMART supported, SMART enabled<br>id value thresh crit c=
ollect reliability description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 raw<br>=C2=A0 1 100 =C2=A0 62 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0=
positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Raw read error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=
=C2=A0 2 100 =C2=A0 40 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thro=
ughput performance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A0 3 102 =C2=A0 33 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin-up time =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0107374182402<br>=C2=A0 4 100 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Start=
/stop count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01506<br>=C2=A0 5 100 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A05 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Realloc=
ated sector count =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A0 7 100 =C2=A0 67 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ye=
s online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 8 100 =C2=A0 40 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes offline =
positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek time performance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=
=A0 9 =C2=A057 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-on hours count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A019067<br>=C2=
=A010 100 =C2=A0 60 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sp=
in retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A012 100 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0De=
vice power cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A01391<br>191 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0G-sense error rate =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>192 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no=
=C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-off retract count =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 86<br>193 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 50 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0neg=
ative =C2=A0 =C2=A0Load cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A01059282<br>196 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0po=
sitive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated event count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 7<br>197 100 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Curre=
nt pending sector =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02<br>198 100 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Offline uncorrectable =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>199 200 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=
=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ultra DMA CRC error count =C2=A0 127<br>netbsd#=C2=
=A0<br></div><div><br></div><div>Smart on my Maxtor DiamondMax=C2=A0Plus 8 =
(new old stock) NetBSD 9.1 system:</div><div>kawaii# atactl wd0 smart statu=
s<br>SMART supported, SMART enabled<br>id value thresh crit collect reliabi=
lity description =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ra=
w<br>=C2=A0 3 221 =C2=A0 63 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Spin-up time =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=
1385<br>=C2=A0 4 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0pos=
itive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Start/stop count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0185<br>=C2=A0 5 253 =C2=A0 63 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocated sector count =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A0 6 253 =C2=A0=
100 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Read channel margin =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 7 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =
=C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A0 8 252 =C2=A0187 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes onli=
ne =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Seek time performance =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 5=
2886<br>=C2=A0 9 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0pos=
itive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-on hours count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A06774<br>=
=C2=A010 253 =C2=A0157 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Spin retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>=C2=A011 =
253 =C2=A0223 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Calibrat=
ion retry count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=C2=A012 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Device power cycle count =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0177<br>=C2=A099 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offl=
ine positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unknown =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>100 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =
=C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Erase/Program Cycles =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00<br>101 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positi=
ve =C2=A0 =C2=A0Unknown =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>192 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onl=
ine =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Power-off retract count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 120<b=
r>193 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Load cycle count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0191<br>=
194 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Temperature =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4=
2<br>195 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Hardware ECC Recovered =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02226<br>196 253 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reallocate=
d event count =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>197 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =
=C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Current pending sector =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A00<br>198 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Offline uncorrectable =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>199 199 =C2=A0=
=C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ultra DMA CRC=
error count =C2=A0 1<br>200 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0onli=
ne =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Write error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>201 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=
=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Soft read error rate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03<=
br>202 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Data address mark errors =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>203 253 =C2=A0180 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 yes online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Run out cancel =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>204 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Soft ECC correction =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>205 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=
=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thermal asperity check =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A00<br>207 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0posit=
ive =C2=A0 =C2=A0Spin high current =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0<br>=
208 253 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0online =C2=A0positive =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Spin buzz =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 0<br>209 185 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 no =C2=A0offline positive =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Offline seek performance =C2=A0 =C2=A00<br>kawaii#=C2=A0<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>Both drives exhibited the rndctl crash problem.</div><=
div><br></div><div>I suspect the Mac's onboard IDE controller is flakey=
, as it is known to be wacky. See the following link:</div><div><a href=3D"=
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blue_and_White_2" target=
=3D"_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3#Blue_and_White=
_2</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I have the "good" revision 2 =
motherboard, which some people think is also quirky.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>My next plan is to modify the kernel to turn off UDMA mode on the hard d=
isk using the wd flags, see if that resolves the problem.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Thanks to all for helping to narrow down the cause of the problem.<=
/div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>
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