NetBSD Problem Report #59759
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From: jspath55@gmail.com
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To: gnats-bugs@NetBSD.org
Subject: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
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>Number: 59759
>Category: install
>Synopsis: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: medium
>Responsible: install-manager
>State: open
>Class: sw-bug
>Submitter-Id: net
>Arrival-Date: Fri Nov 14 14:20:00 +0000 2025
>Last-Modified: Wed Nov 26 21:25:01 +0000 2025
>Originator: Jim Spath
>Release: 11.0_BETA
>Organization:
N/A
>Environment:
NetBSD **** 11.0_BETA NetBSD 11.0_BETA (GENERIC) #0: Tue Oct 28 15:00:36 UTC 2025 mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386
>Description:
I ran sysupgrade on an i386 machine, pointing the cache to:
RELEASEDIR="https://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-11/20251028150036Z/i386/
The install/upgrade went well other than a couple errors in postinstall checks. One phase generated a core file from "sh". Usually these commands succeed.
= =
bash-5.2# sh /usr/sbin/postinstall -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz -d / fix ptyfsoldnodes
Note: Creating temporary directory /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz
Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz
Source directory: /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
(extracted from: /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz)
Target directory: /
ptyfsoldnodes fix:
[1] Bad system call (core dumped) ${HOST_SH} "${MAKEDEV_DIR}/MAKEDEV" -s pty0 2>... |
Done ${AWK} "\
BEGIN { before_re = \".*device=...
Cannot find device major numbers for pty master and slave
postinstall fixes passed:
postinstall fixes failed: ptyfsoldnodes
= =
>How-To-Repeat:
Unknown. This is the only i386 machine I can access, and I am unlikely to roll back to 10.1 now.
>Fix:
Unknown.
>Audit-Trail:
From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 15:24:46 +0100
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:20:01PM +0000, jspath55@gmail.com wrote:
> bash-5.2# sh /usr/sbin/postinstall -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz -d / fix ptyfsoldnodes
> Note: Creating temporary directory /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
> Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz
> Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz
> Source directory: /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
> (extracted from: /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz)
> Target directory: /
> ptyfsoldnodes fix:
> [1] Bad system call (core dumped) ${HOST_SH} "${MAKEDEV_DIR}/MAKEDEV" -s pty0 2>... |
What kernel have you been running at that point? You can't complete a userland
update from 10 to 11 without first booting a 11.* kernel.
Martin
From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 09:31:21 -0500
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 9:25=E2=80=AFAM Martin Husemann via gnats
<gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> What kernel have you been running at that point? You can't complete a us=
erland
> update from 10 to 11 without first booting a 11.* kernel.
I believe that message was before a reboot from 10.1 to 11 beta.
Because I was unaware whether sysugrade would work, I also upgraded an
amd64 system, without getting a core dump.
Jim
From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 15:38:57 +0100
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 02:35:01PM +0000, Jim Spath via gnats wrote:
> I believe that message was before a reboot from 10.1 to 11 beta.
That would be a sysupgrade bug. I don't know anything about sysupgrade
and the expected work flow, sorry.
Martin
From: Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org,
netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 10:39:01 -0500
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Can you find out what program core dumped and what system call? There =
should be a <something>.core somewhere (perhaps in /dev or /) and then =
you can just gdb <something> <something>.core and type where
christos
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From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 11:07:02 -0500
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM Christos Zoulas via gnats
<gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> Can you find out what program core dumped and what system call? There =
=3D
> should be a <something>.core somewhere (perhaps in /dev or /) and then =
=3D
> you can just gdb <something> <something>.core and type where
The core was from "sh". But it doesn't have a stack, it seems:
$ gdb sh.core
GNU gdb (GDB) 15.1
...
"/root/sh.core": not in executable format: file format not recognized
(gdb) where
No stack.
$ file sh.core
sh.core: ELF 32-bit LSB core file, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
NetBSD-style, from 'sh', pid=3D29325, uid=3D0, gid=3D0, nlwps=3D1, lwp=3D0
(signal 12/code 32767)
Jim
From: Martin Husemann <martin@duskware.de>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 18:13:32 +0100
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 04:10:02PM +0000, Jim Spath via gnats wrote:
> The core was from "sh". But it doesn't have a stack, it seems:
This is exactly the expected symptoms when using a 10.x kernel but
11.x userland, so no point in checking for crash details.
Martin
From: Ramiro Aceves <ea1abz@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2025 20:48:29 +0100
El 14/11/25 a las 15:20, jspath55@gmail.com escribió:
>> Number: 59759
>> Category: install
>> Synopsis: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
>> Confidential: no
>> Severity: non-critical
>> Priority: medium
>> Responsible: install-manager
>> State: open
>> Class: sw-bug
>> Submitter-Id: net
>> Arrival-Date: Fri Nov 14 14:20:00 +0000 2025
>> Originator: Jim Spath
>> Release: 11.0_BETA
>> Organization:
> N/A
>> Environment:
> NetBSD **** 11.0_BETA NetBSD 11.0_BETA (GENERIC) #0: Tue Oct 28 15:00:36 UTC 2025 mkrepro@mkrepro.NetBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386
>> Description:
> I ran sysupgrade on an i386 machine, pointing the cache to:
>
> RELEASEDIR="https://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-11/20251028150036Z/i386/
>
> The install/upgrade went well other than a couple errors in postinstall checks. One phase generated a core file from "sh". Usually these commands succeed.
>
> = =
>
> bash-5.2# sh /usr/sbin/postinstall -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz -d / fix ptyfsoldnodes
> Note: Creating temporary directory /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
> Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz
> Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz
> Source directory: /tmp/_postinstall.28261.0/etc.tgz
> (extracted from: /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz)
> Target directory: /
> ptyfsoldnodes fix:
> [1] Bad system call (core dumped) ${HOST_SH} "${MAKEDEV_DIR}/MAKEDEV" -s pty0 2>... |
> Done ${AWK} "\
> BEGIN { before_re = \".*device=...
> Cannot find device major numbers for pty master and slave
> postinstall fixes passed:
> postinstall fixes failed: ptyfsoldnodes
>
> = =
>
>> How-To-Repeat:
> Unknown. This is the only i386 machine I can access, and I am unlikely to roll back to 10.1 now.
>> Fix:
> Unknown.
>
Hi,
I have done the same here in my old Packard Bell i386 laptop on NetBSD 10.1:
I configured sysupgrade.conf
RELEASEDIR="https://nycdn.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-11/20251028150036Z/i386/"
I started a GNU screen session just in case I could follow it out of
home from my phone Termux ssh.
sysupgrade fetch
sysupgrade kernel
sysupgrade modules
reboot
sysupgrade sets
I went out home.
I could not reach the system from ssh anymore (although it responded ok
to ping requests)
I arrive home.
sysupgrade etcupdate
sysupgrade postinstall
and last:
packardbell_netbsd# sh /usr/sbin/postinstall -s
/var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz -s /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz -d / fix
makedev
ptyfsoldnodes
Note: Creating temporary directory /tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz
Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz
Note: Extracting files from /var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz
Source directory: /tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz
(extracted from: /var/cache/sysupgrade/etc.tgz
/var/cache/sysupgrade/xetc.tgz)
Target directory: /
makedev fix:
(Checking for MAKEDEV from /tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz/dev
instead of /tmp/_postinstall.5690.0)
Copied /tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz/dev/MAKEDEV to /dev/MAKEDEV
(Checking for MAKEDEV.local from
/tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz/dev instead of
/tmp/_postinstall.5690.0/etc.tgz/etc)
ptyfsoldnodes fix:
Removed legacy device node /dev/ptyp0
Removed legacy device node /dev/ptyp1
Removed legacy device node /dev/ttyp0
Removed legacy device node /dev/ttyp1
postinstall fixes passed: makedev ptyfsoldnodes
postinstall fixes failed:
packardbell_netbsd# service sshd stop
Stopping sshd.
packardbell_netbsd# service sshd start
Starting sshd.
packardbell_netbsd#
ssh access returned back.
Regards.
Ramiro
From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 15:10:30 -0500
On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 12:15=E2=80=AFPM Martin Husemann via gnats
<gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> This is exactly the expected symptoms when using a 10.x kernel but
> 11.x userland, so no point in checking for crash details.
Apologies for my naivete in not expecting this. Could the ticket be
changed to a doc-bug?
Suggested wording for the sysupgrade (pkgsrc) manual page:
=3D =3D
.Sh RESTRICTIONS
The sysupgrade command may encounter issues if the userland version is newe=
r
than the kernel version, including shell command core dumps.
=3D =3D
I am uncertain whether rebooting sooner into the newer 11.x kernel
would make a difference;
and, this is not how I have run sysupgrade in the past.
Jim
From: Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org,
netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
jspath55@gmail.com
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 16:52:08 -0500
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> On Nov 17, 2025, at 3:15=E2=80=AFPM, Jim Spath via gnats =
<gnats-admin@NetBSD.org> wrote:
>=20
> The following reply was made to PR install/59759; it has been noted by =
GNATS.
>=20
> From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:=20
> Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 15:10:30 -0500
>=20
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 12:15=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Martin Husemann via =
gnats
> <gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
>> This is exactly the expected symptoms when using a 10.x kernel but
>> 11.x userland, so no point in checking for crash details.
>=20
> Apologies for my naivete in not expecting this. Could the ticket be
> changed to a doc-bug?
>=20
> Suggested wording for the sysupgrade (pkgsrc) manual page:
>=20
> =3D3D =3D3D
> .Sh RESTRICTIONS
> The sysupgrade command may encounter issues if the userland version is =
newe=3D
> r
> than the kernel version, including shell command core dumps.
> =3D3D =3D3D
>=20
> I am uncertain whether rebooting sooner into the newer 11.x kernel
> would make a difference;
> and, this is not how I have run sysupgrade in the past.
=
https://netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/netbsd.html?utm_source=3Dchatgpt.com#usin=
g-sysupgrade
This is already documented.
Note
Take care when upgrading across major releases - ensure your running =
kernel is never older than the userspace.
christos=
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From: Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org,
netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
jspath55@gmail.com
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 16:53:32 -0500
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And also in tracking current: =
https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_source=3Dchatgpt.com#using-anoncv=
s
When upgrading to a more recent version of -current you should always =
install and boot a new kernel before installing any new libs (* =
<https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_source=3Dchatgpt.com#star>). =
In general the best approach is to try the new kernel before anything =
else, and if you hit any problems see the entry in the Kernel FAQ =
<https://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/#problems_compiling_a_current_kernel>.=
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content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
line-break: after-white-space;">And also in tracking =
current: https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_source=3Dchatgpt.co=
m#using-anoncvs<div><br></div><div><ul class=3D"itemizedlist" =
style=3D"font-size: 16px; color: rgb(52, 73, 94); font-family: =
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initial;"><li class=3D"listitem" style=3D"line-height: 1.3em;"><p =
style=3D"margin: 1em 0px 1.5em; padding: 0px; line-height: 1.3em;">When =
upgrading to a more recent version of -current you should <span =
class=3D"emphasis">always</span> install and boot a new =
kernel before installing any new libs (<a class=3D"ulink" =
href=3D"https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_source=3Dchatgpt.com#star=
" target=3D"_top" style=3D"color: rgb(212, 57, 0); text-decoration: =
none;">*</a>). In general the best approach is to try the new kernel =
before anything else, and if you hit any problems see the entry in =
the <a class=3D"ulink" =
href=3D"https://www.netbsd.org/docs/kernel/#problems_compiling_a_current_k=
ernel" target=3D"_top" style=3D"color: rgb(212, 57, 0); text-decoration: =
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From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 17:46:04 -0500
On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 4:55=E2=80=AFPM Christos Zoulas via gnats
<gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> This is already documented.
> And also in tracking current: https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_so=
urce=3Dchatgpt.com#using-anoncvs
> When upgrading to a more recent version of -current you should always ins=
tall and boot a new kernel before installing any new libs (*). In general t=
he best approach is to try the new kernel before anything else, and if you =
hit any problems see the entry in the Kernel FAQ.
I see the above online, such as:
https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/chap-upgrading.html
I believe I was misled by the sysupgrade man page, or I misread the
order presented:
Standalone upgrade steps:
sysupgrade [common_flags] clean
sysupgrade [common_flags] etcupdate
sysupgrade [common_flags] fetch [releasedir]
sysupgrade [common_flags] kernel [kernel_name]
sysupgrade [common_flags] modules
sysupgrade [common_flags] sets [set1 .. setN]
sysupgrade [common_flags] postinstall [arg1 .. argN]
I then reboot.
The online documents differ as pointed out:
# sysupgrade fetch https://cdn.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.2/amd64
# sysupgrade kernel
# sysupgrade modules
# reboot
# sysupgrade sets
# sysupgrade etcupdate
# sysupgrade postinstall
# sysupgrade clean
# reboot
As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
Jim
From: Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org,
netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org,
jspath55@gmail.com
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 17:54:30 -0500
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> As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
>
> Jim
>
Yes, let's fix the broken versions.
Thanks,
christos
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From: Ramiro Aceves <ea1abz@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org, install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org, jspath55@gmail.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 07:46:53 +0100
El 17/11/25 a las 21:15, Jim Spath via gnats escribió:
> The following reply was made to PR install/59759; it has been noted by GNATS.
>
> From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 15:10:30 -0500
...
...>
> I am uncertain whether rebooting sooner into the newer 11.x kernel
> would make a difference;
> and, this is not how I have run sysupgrade in the past.
>
> Jim
>
Hi Jim.
I did
sysupgrade fetch
sysupgrade kernel
sysupgrade modules
reboot
sysupgrade sets
sysupgrade etcupdate
sysupgrade postinstall
and worked just fine, I think I should have done:
sysupgrade fetch
sysupgrade kernel
sysupgrade modules
sysupgrade sets
sysupgrade etcupdate
sysupgrade postinstall
And see what would have happened.
I have another jurassic i386 machine deep inside the closet with NetBSD
10.1 installed. It would be interesting doing the experiment.
Ramiro.
From: Ramiro Aceves <ea1abz@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org, install-manager@netbsd.org,
gnats-admin@netbsd.org, netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org, jspath55@gmail.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 07:55:11 +0100
El 17/11/25 a las 23:50, Jim Spath via gnats escribió:
> The following reply was made to PR install/59759; it has been noted by GNATS.
>
> From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2025 17:46:04 -0500
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 4:55=E2=80=AFPM Christos Zoulas via gnats
> <gnats-admin@netbsd.org> wrote:
> > This is already documented.
>
> > And also in tracking current: https://www.netbsd.org/docs/current/?utm_so=
> urce=3Dchatgpt.com#using-anoncvs
> > When upgrading to a more recent version of -current you should always ins=
> tall and boot a new kernel before installing any new libs (*). In general t=
> he best approach is to try the new kernel before anything else, and if you =
> hit any problems see the entry in the Kernel FAQ.
>
> I see the above online, such as:
> https://www.netbsd.org/docs/guide/en/chap-upgrading.html
>
> I believe I was misled by the sysupgrade man page, or I misread the
> order presented:
>
> Standalone upgrade steps:
>
> sysupgrade [common_flags] clean
> sysupgrade [common_flags] etcupdate
> sysupgrade [common_flags] fetch [releasedir]
> sysupgrade [common_flags] kernel [kernel_name]
> sysupgrade [common_flags] modules
> sysupgrade [common_flags] sets [set1 .. setN]
> sysupgrade [common_flags] postinstall [arg1 .. argN]
>
> I then reboot.
>
> The online documents differ as pointed out:
>
> # sysupgrade fetch https://cdn.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/NetBSD-9.2/amd64
> # sysupgrade kernel
> # sysupgrade modules
> # reboot
> # sysupgrade sets
> # sysupgrade etcupdate
> # sysupgrade postinstall
> # sysupgrade clean
> # reboot
>
> As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
>
> Jim
>
Oh, luckily from my start in NetBSD I have read the sysupgrade WEB
instructions first instead of the man page "standalone upgrade steps".
Reading them after reading the WEB page they are not too confusing. But
yes, if you read them first are prone to cause confusion.
Reading the sysupgrade man page at "auto" chapter I see that there is no
"reboot" after the kernel upgrade phase:
***
The standard upgrade procedure performed by this command is as
follows:
1. ‘fetch’: Retrieve distribution sets into the local cache
directory.
2. ‘modules’: Unpack new kernel modules.
3. ‘kernel’: Upgrade kernel.
4. ‘sets’: Upgrade system sets, except configuration files.
5. ‘etcupdate’: Merge new changes to configuration files. This
is the
only interactive step in the process and can be disabled for this
reason by setting ETCUPDATE to false.
6. ‘postinstall’: Perform sanity checks and optionally apply
unconditional fixes to the upgraded system.
7. ‘clean’: Remove contents of the cache directory. This can be
disabled by setting AUTOCLEAN to false in case you want to
keep the
downloaded distribution files around.
***
I am curious to know what would happen when I upgrade my RaspberryPi
Zero W and Raspberry Pi 4 using sysupgrade over SSH. Perhaps it would be
safer with an attached HDMI monitor.
Regards.
From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:02:58 -0500
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2025, 17:54 Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com> wrote:
> > As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
>
> Yes, let's fix the broken versions.
>
I previously noticed these steps need to be done in reverse order, or there
is nothing to update:
sysupgrade [common_flags] etcupdate
sysupgrade [common_flags] fetch [releasedir]
Jim
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From: Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc: install-manager@netbsd.org, gnats-admin@netbsd.org,
netbsd-bugs@netbsd.org, jspath55@gmail.com
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:15:34 -0500
On 2025-11-18 10:05 am, Jim Spath via gnats wrote:
> The following reply was made to PR install/59759; it has been noted by
> GNATS.
>
> From: Jim Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
> To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2025 10:02:58 -0500
>
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> On Mon, Nov 17, 2025, 17:54 Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
> >
>
> > Yes, let's fix the broken versions.
> >
>
> I previously noticed these steps need to be done in reverse order, or
> there
> is nothing to update:
>
> sysupgrade [common_flags] etcupdate
> sysupgrade [common_flags] fetch [releasedir]
>
Ok, let's flip them.
christos
From: J Spath <jspath55@gmail.com>
To: gnats-bugs@netbsd.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: install/59759: Core dump on sysupgrade to 11.0 BETA
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2025 16:22:45 -0500
On 18/11/2025 10:20, Christos Zoulas via gnats wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2025, 17:54 Christos Zoulas <christos@zoulas.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > As sysupgrade is in pkgsrc, should I suggest the doc change there?
> > >
> >
> > > Yes, let's fix the broken versions.
> ...
>
> Ok, let's flip them.
>
> christos
>
Please move this ticket to pkg as the fix is for the man page there.
Rough patch follows with the fetch flipped, a reboot note, and a
reference to the online doc page.
Jim
*** sysupgrade.8.df 2025-07-17 05:56:44.000000000 -0400
--- sysupgrade.8 2025-11-25 15:26:46.744691060 -0500
***************
*** 56,70 ****
.Ar clean
.Nm
.Op common_flags
- .Ar etcupdate
- .Nm
- .Op common_flags
.Ar fetch
.Op Ar releasedir
.Nm
.Op common_flags
.Ar kernel
.Op Ar kernel_name
.Nm
.Op common_flags
.Ar modules
--- 56,71 ----
.Ar clean
.Nm
.Op common_flags
.Ar fetch
.Op Ar releasedir
.Nm
.Op common_flags
+ .Ar etcupdate
+ .Nm
+ .Op common_flags
.Ar kernel
.Op Ar kernel_name
+ (reboot for major version upgrade)
.Nm
.Op common_flags
.Ar modules
***************
*** 382,387 ****
--- 383,390 ----
.Xr sysupgrade.conf 5 ,
.Xr etcupdate 8 ,
.Xr postinstall 8
+ .Pp
+
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